Deities, Angels, Spirits, Saints: Questions and Answers

theredc6 · Unread post by **theredc6** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:08 pm

St. Joseph is the patron saint of real estate matters in general. He is usually used to sell a home but i do not see why he would not help you obtain a home as well.

Something else you could do is go to the home you are trying to buy, get some of the dirt from the property. Use the soil from the property to ground the spells you do to get the house. Do luck spells and spells to remove any competition.

Unread post by **Harlow** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 4:32 pm

Thanks for the suggestions, guys

adam283 · Unread post by **adam283** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 3:22 pm

ok so maybe this is a stupid question but how do I petition a Saint to help me with a Issue im working? I have a honey har going for it but I would like to ass some oomph but I dont know really how to petition a saint or what to give them in return for their services.

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 4:31 pm

Each Saint has a novena prayer. You can either use the prayer in addition to your request or the prayer alone. If you purchase the candle, the prayer is on the candle with a place that asks you to state your petition.

Here's a list of Patron Saints for various conditions complied by cat: http://www.luckymojo.com/patronsaints.html

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 8:31 pm

Some saints like St expedite and St jude for example as for specific payments in a certain amount of time. Like St expedite you need to pay him as soon as he grants your wish otherwise he will either take away what he granted, or something else. I think someone mentioned on here their house got burned down, but thats another story.

St Jude...you need to publish a thanks to him...such as in a newspaper or some other way. Now other saints you can use the color candle associated with them or buy them from lucky mojo. or you can buy your own candle and add their oil or herbs. I like to have their picture on their space, and leave a bowl of water.

CherryRedBoom · Unread post by **CherryRedBoom** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:54 am

I looked through the forum and couldn't find this answer. What day of the week is the appropiate day to petition Saint Michael for protection? I planned on petitioning him for protection monthly, is that ok? Also what day is the correct day for petitioning Saint Raphael for a new love?

Unread post by **Devi Spring** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:23 am

You can petition anyone on any day. It really doesn't matter.

However, Tuesday (which has a Martial energy for aggression/protection), or Sunday (linked to Success, and all the good things the Sun brings) are nice days if you absolutely want to use planetary timing for St. Michael. Friday (Venus) or Monday (Moon) would be good for love work with Raphael.

But really, you can petition them whenever you like.

CherryRedBoom · Unread post by **CherryRedBoom** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:17 am

Sounds good. With a petition to Saint Michael where the request is ongoing and constant, would I petition him weekly for protection or is monthly ok? I also have other avenues of protections like devil shoe string but Id like a bit more.

Unread post by **Devi Spring** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:55 am

I would do weekly formal petitions (candles, oils, & whatnot), but add his prayer to your daily prayers/meditations.
There are many different ones you can find, but I usually use:

St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle
Be our protection against the wickedness and snare of the Devil.
May God rebuke him, we humbly pray.
And do thou, O Price of the Heavenly Hosts,
stike down into Hell Satan and all evil spirits
that prowl the earth seeking the ruin of souls.
In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit I pray. Amen.

k77084 · Unread post by **k77084** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 3:12 pm

Hi All-
This is a little off topic but I wanted a better understanding of when it is approperiate to commense offerings.

Growing up around several different latino & hispanic cultures I have been in and seen many different types of prayer groups. Most make offerings during the prayer service to the saints that are being petitioned. Food, flowers, gifts etc. are given daily.

When I first started I used St expedite, I came here to learn all I could about him and how to best call upon him. All of you were wonderful and tremendously helped me but being a newbie of course I made mistakes. I offered the flowers and pound cake upfront. I had a a wonderful experience with him, I was greeted by him and my request was granted immediately. Later in researching more I found out that I was suppose to give him the gifts after the request was granted not before. The next time several times I tried to use him, he was not so cooperative. There was no greeting, low flame, costantly going out, request not granted. So in my mind he has come to expect something upfront and was angry or disappointed with me as we had established our relationship with something being offered. I recently gave this another try (after several unsuccessful attempts). I offered him water and the flowers with the promise of wine and pound cake after. This time he came around.

I just began to work with St Martha, as an opening gesture I made her coffee and gave her white flowers. I was going continue with an offering 1x a week until the request is met (same mistake as before, I just read today, not suppose to give the flowers until after) I guess it is just habit from growing up that you offer things to the saints as appreciation for them while you are petitioning them. I have seen good things with this candle I have going with her, but now that I have given her what typically would be offered in the end, do I offer her something else as repayment when the request is granted. Also now that I started this relationship with her do you think she will expect the same from me in the future.

I guess my ultimate question is this a hard and fast rule to give them the offerings at the end instead while working with them? Just curious as to what others have experienced or practiced. Many thanks!
~Kiana

Unread post by **CopperFox** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 4:40 pm

My Momaw (that's hillbilly for "grandmother") says: There are two kinds of bad paymasters, the one who pays up front and the one who doesn't pay at all. Guess that sort of applies to your situation.

If you find you are having success making your offerings while doings the petitions as opposed to after the petition is granted, you may want to keep doing things your way. Sure, it may not be what everyone else is doing, but if it works for you...then work it! If you would rather go the traditional route of paying for services rendered, you may need to approach the Saints in prayer and "re-negotiate" the terms of your relationship with them. Make sure they are aware of your immense gratitude and that you will be happy to pay them upon completion.

St. Expedite has been so good to me in the short time I've been working with him that I find I almost always have an offering of sorts out for him. If I feel he is working on my requests, I don't withhold payment until the job is done. If I see signs of movement on my petitions I go ahead and pay and let him know it is a good faith payment; I know he will follow through. This approach doesn't seem to have hindered my work in any way! I guess you could say I've put him on salary!

For a great resource to learn more about St. Expedite, check out SaintExpedite.org; it's a very nice place to find prayers and an interesting historical overview of St. Expedite.

I'd be curious to hear how you choose to handle this situation and your outcome; please keep us updated.

Good luck with your work,
Michelle
Thank you, Saint Expedite, for your generousity and swift action!

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 5:09 pm

This is interesting...but I am sure many of us have made mistakes along the way. It is a learning process until you see what works for you. While there are traditional methods for petitioning saints, working spells etc... oftentimes its getting to the point that feels right to you. So as Copperfox said...'it may not be what everyone else is doing...but it works for you..that is the niche you look for. I have learned a lot and still am just from reading this forum and Cats online resources.

k77084 · Unread post by **k77084** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 12:32 pm

Thank you so much for your replies and encouragement. Sometimes I get too caught up in the process rather than focusing on the outcome. I did like your suggestion of re-negotiate..lol... I will try that and see how that goes. Thank you all very much!
~Kiana

Loved · Unread post by **Loved** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 8:22 pm

I'm just pondering this......at any given time one Saint may be called upon by thousands of people around the planet at the same time.

Does the Saint or the Saints "energy" get worn down?

Some people hear the Saints speaking to them...How are the Saints able to "speak" to several people at once (if anyone knows).

Is it an energy that sort of splits itself? Do they ever tire of hearing the same requests over and over?

Just exploring as I study more.

Unread post by **Devi Spring** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 10:13 pm

Spirit is not limited in the same manner as matter, so phenomenon like being in many places at once isn't really much of an issue. In a way you could very much look at it as a holographic image - no matter how many ways and times it is split, it still contains the entire picture.

I also tend to think that most helpful spirits have a legion of assisstant spirits with closely related natures that it can delegate tasks to.

That and saints are acting as intercessors for God, and God is not limited in any way, shape, or form. God IS everything, so being everywhere isn't an issue.

Hearing a spirit "speak" to you varies from person to person depending on what intuitive gifts they have most strongly. I tend to get extremely strong impressions and pictures in my mind's eye, and also sometimes words or phrases will come into my brain. Others may actually hear a voice speaking to them. Others may see the spirit physically and communicate in that manner. Still others might communicate with spirits through divinatory tools, such as the pendulum, bones, etc. So it's a very individual thing.

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 11:52 pm

Far from spirits getting tired, they are energized by work they do. When we turn to a being in prayer, when we petition, when we summon, we are giving something of ourself to the entity. This is how some thoughtforms go from being personal thoughtforms to near divine status. In the chaoite community they created a powerful entity called Fotemecus using this theory. Now, thousands of people call on him to do alter time... The idea being that the more people believe, the more people give energy to a being the more it grows, the further is power. One might argue that this is why some Saints like to be publically recognized for their work.

Energy is permeated in such a way that an entity that has ascended from individual consciousness now is able to spread out their consciousness that they no longer are limited by the contraints of time and space. Furthermore, various entities like Saints are happy to help people along in their journey as they are now part of a Divine Love that is selfless... But enough pontificating. If you seek more about this topic there are plenty of books on this.

Loved · Unread post by **Loved** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:02 pm

Thank you.
Devi Spring, the comparison of the holograph was helpful. Also the concept that they have helpers of similar mission is nice to think of. So that if I were to place my offering to the Saint outdoors, it's quite possible that a bird nibbling on the cake or a bee buzzing about the honey would in fact "be" the Saint - so to speak. I've heard a voice call my name more than once in the wee hours of the morning. I hope it was a Saint!

Thanks again for such great food for thought.

ConjureMan,
I enjoy your pontificating

. Input from all sides helps all us of grow. I'm going to look up the chaoite community and see what that's all about.
I never looked at it as my prayers and petitions were giving energy as opposed to taking energy away. I guess that's just me being human - and relating to how I feel when so much is asked of me. It would stand to reason that on a higher plane giving is not at all taxing.
I have a large library at home, but the section on Hoodoo is still in it's infancy. My having come to it how and when I did. I would love to check out the books you mention. If you can give a specific title, that would be great. If it comes from LM all the better! I plan to order a batch of oils soon and it would be great to have a new book in the box as well. I have the HHRM hardcover already and love it.

Take care both of you. Happy New Year - PJ!

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:14 pm

The books I referred to are not specifically about Hoodoo, but rather deal with theories about working with entities and spirits and such. Part of my studies as a high magician. I believe Malbrough has a book specifically about Saints.

One of the best ways of wrapping our heads around how on a higher level giving is not taxing, one can refer back to the Biblical injunction to serve (John 21: 15), or how Muslims are repeatedly commanded to both pray and pay the Zakat (poor-rate; 2: 43, 5:12, 9:18)

nknk2 · Unread post by **nknk2** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 10:05 am

Regarding working with the Intranquil Spirit and.or with Santisima Muerte for fidelity and the rturn o a lover:

Is Santisima Muerte's only criteria "infidelity a no-no" -- or are there more?

Why do people say the Intranquil Spirit is unpredictable?

Please share.

Unread post by **CopperFox** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 10:41 am

Read this web page by cat; this is where I am getting most of my information on Santisima Muerte, as I have no first-hand experience working with her:
http://www.luckymojo.com/santisimamuerte.html

As for the Intranquil Spirit, she is notoriously unpredictable. I have heard of unexperienced people calling on her and not warding themselves properly, only to find they are as tormented as the intended target. I know of many who have had favorable results; however, I would first exhaust every other less-coercive method beforehand. If you would like to work with the spirits to attempt to bring a lost lover back, you may consider the spell using the gravedirt of a loved one who has passed on; you are far less likely to run into trouble working with the spirit of someone who loved you in life. For your reference, I have included links to information on the Intranquil Spirit and the graveyard dirt love spell.

http://www.luckymojo.com/intranquility.html
http://www.luckymojo.com/lovespells.htm ... attraction

The Lucky Mojo free spells archive has numerous spells for love, attraction and reconciliation. You should find something there to suit your needs and level of skill.

Good luck,
Michelle

nknk2 · Unread post by **nknk2** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 11:21 am

thanks, CF

IBMagnet · Unread post by **IBMagnet** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 5:37 pm

copperfox:

As for the Intranquil Spirit, she is notoriously unpredictable. I have heard of unexperienced people calling on her and not warding themselves properly, only to find they are as tormented as the intended target. I know of many who have had favorable results; however, I would first exhaust every other less-coercive method beforehand. If you would like to work with the spirits to attempt to bring a lost lover back, you may consider the spell using the gravedirt of a loved one who has passed on; you are far less likely to run into trouble working with the spirit of someone who loved you in life. For your reference, I have included links to information on the Intranquil Spirit and the graveyard dirt love spell.

Copperfox, don't know why the reservation with Intranquility Spirit. He/She is not unpredictable. It is the only means I have used that gave me immediate movement and in the SAME DAY!!! I have done the 3 wishes with the archangeal, have called on Saint Martha, Have done the Vinegar jar, amonia jar, honey jar. I am still awaiting results.

Saint Muerte, I would not use. She is very demanding. You have to worship her without fail on a particular day. I hear from doing research on external sites that she takes back with a vengeance. You're basically calling death onto yourself and loved one, which I find reckless at best. No love is worth that risk. Were I anyone considering this, I would wait to see the LONG-TERM RAMIFICATION of this spell.

IS, on the other hand, makes your loved one restless until he/she returns to you. The conjure may also feel restless as a result of the spell. That, in my mind, could be due to two reasons:
1- feeling of guilt or uncertainty about what they are doing
2- they may not have used protection

In working with IS, I have only recited psalm 23 as a means for protection, nothing more. In fact, I say the prayer several times a day and each time I say the psalm 23. I have not felt restless and I got movement in one day. I did last time, which didn't last...my fault. I did it again and got movement again in the same day. This time, I am going to hold back longer until the spell takes full effect, like he does more than call and text. he actually comes to me. That is what I am waiting for.

So, I can say that, beyond the shadow of doubt or hysteria of spellcasting, IS works and delivers quick and non-lethal results!

IBMagnet · Unread post by **IBMagnet** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 5:44 pm

I have to say that I don't feel restless with IS but I do feel an odd presence with Saint Martha. However, I love what she represents and hopes she finds me worthy.

nknk2 · Unread post by **nknk2** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:17 pm

IBMagnet, thanks for your input.

I am also working with Saint Martha, and I must admit that I do feel more confident and more in control of situations.

She is wonderful.

nknk2 · Unread post by **nknk2** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:20 pm

IBMagnet wrote: In working with IS, I have only recited psalm 23 as a means for protection, nothing more. In fact, I say the prayer several times a day and each time I say the psalm 23. I have not felt restless and I got movement in one day. I did last time, which didn't last...my fault. I did it again and got movement again in the same day. This time, I am going to hold back longer until the spell takes full effect, like he does more than call and text. he actually comes to me. That is what I am waiting for.

So, I can say that, beyond the shadow of doubt or hysteria of spellcasting, IS works and delivers quick and non-lethal results!

Whenever I read about your results, I feel wow.....results so fast....cool!

I know you began on Friday,did you take into account waning or waxing ? Also you did it early morning hours right?

IBMagnet · Unread post by **IBMagnet** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 9:16 pm

Typical love spells are best worked in Venus and Jupiter hours. That is if you believe in the astrological factor. I don't know if I do but I do like the idea that certain times of the day relative to where a planet is transiting should influence certain aspect of the the universe, thereby affecting all living things.

The moon is waning, it is true, but I still work it all as if it weren't in Venus, Jupiter and Mars. (3 times a day). Why Mars?
Well, mars is for forceful action and sexuality. The Intranquility spell is a forceful love spell, forcing someone to think of you and to come to you. I see that as going to war. I am raging a war on his heart.

BACK TO IS: As I do the spell, I find myself getting REALLY REALLY ANGRY that I have to resort to that to get this guy's attention. That's really how I feel! So I work with the anger, clinch my fist and demand to be heard by both spirit and man.

I am an Aries woman, so I have a dominating nature. I identify with the male energy of IS. Quite frankly, I am not getting results with any of the other spells. I am initiating myself to Saint Martha and am hoping that I can get forceful with her too...eventually. I love that male energy about her.

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 10:37 pm

CopperFox brings up a good point. The *IS* spell is a petition. It may not be heard or heeded by the spirit you are working with. Unless you know what you are doing, such conjures are best avoided. However, I'd go to the IS first before Santa Meurte. I can work with a spirit that I know I can control, but putting myself into the hands of Death is pretty desperate stuff.

There is a whole laundry list of coercive love spells that can be used to acheive the results that people seek without resorting to conjuring up a damned spirit from hell, or the power of Death Herself...

IBMagnet · Unread post by **IBMagnet** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 5:40 pm

ConjureMan, I am curious. I haven't read anything bad about the Intranquil Spirit. What could happen? I haven't had any ill effect from it yet. As I said, I have done many spells for various reasons. I only got results with this.

There is saint martha but I haven't seen any results yet.

There is the graveyard spell but I don't have a graveyard near me and I happen to be scared of cemetaries...besides, I don't have dead relatives in this country. Those would be the coercive spells

I saw bad stuff in relation to saint muerte but not the Intranquil Spirit. Should I be concerned?

Maybe it is a stupid question but what is a damned soul?

I don't believe in heaven or hell, but I believe energies may have positive, neutral of positive effects. I read the IS spell with conviction just as I say psalms with convictions

To me it is all a theater piece that helps bring in your focus to the work at hand. I really didn't assimilate it much farther. I wasn't asking harm on anyone.

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 6:06 pm

I brought this up like 2 weeks ago with santisma Muerte.

If you are someone that is the "other" woman, you should not use SM. She does NOT condone infidelity no matter what side of the situation you are on. She does not like the cheater nor the other woman.

The IS not that unpredictable, but you should heed some caution no matter what spirit you work with. This is why everyone needs to do their research. Many people report that the spirit makes them feel restless as well. Part of this is doing some protection work for yourself and some cleansing so that you do not have the effects either.

Before you even consider working with ANY spirit, saint, or whatever do your research. As for SM you need to know that she is a demanding spirit that does not like other spirits or saints around. Not to mention you MUST give her what you promise as with other entities that people work with. I know of someone who worked with her and she helped her greatly, however, she did not work with any other saints or anything and steady devotion needs to be given to her regularly. She likes attention and gets very jealous.

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 6:13 pm

Im guessing CM is refering to Anima Sola because she was a damned soul forced to roam the earth. Someone correct me if I am wrong. But I would not used a damned soul either, or the love me or die. I just think that spell is especially desparate, and if misused bye bye target.

IBMagnet I feel like you are doing the spell correctly, by saying a psalm for protection. Besides we should be protecting ourselves all the time.

Unread post by **CopperFox** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 6:21 pm

I think Stars hit the nail on the head when it comes to my rationale for steering people away from the Intranquil Spirit and Saint Muerte -- both are typically used in a fit of desperation; which while that kind of energy can be great for some when focusing intent, for others is a bad mix. I suppose my main objection is when people go directly to the MOST coercive, MOST dangerous spell they can find, thinking it is the most powerful. That is not necessarily so. Let's not forget, folks, the language of conjure is literal, not allegorical as in European magick.

IBMagnet · Unread post by **IBMagnet** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 6:27 pm

starsinthesky7, you didn't say what a damned soul is. Is that real and how? (i know the biblical stuff but I don't believe in that.) What perspective are you coming from?

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 6:28 pm

I was thinking of the Anima Sola.

http://www.luckymojo.com/animasola.html

Unread post by **Turnsteel** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 7:09 pm

starsinthesky7 wrote:Im guessing CM is refering to Anima Sola because she was a damned soul forced to roam the earth. Someone correct me if I am wrong. But I would not used a damned soul either, or the love me or die. I just think that spell is especially desparate, and if misused bye bye target.

The Anima Sola is not really a damned soul. She is prayed to to relieve the suffering of souls in purgatory, because the Anima Sola was a soul in purgatory who was freed by the mercy of Our Lady of Mount Carmel. That's why she is often shown with broken chains.

But the image of the Anima Sola is very much one of high drama and people began working with that image as a form of dominating magic. Basically along the lines of "do such and such or burn as the Anima Sola burned". From there she got mixed in with images of La llorona (where the idea that she wanders the earth comes from) and to a degree Blessed Santa Muerte, hence the modern usage of the Anima Sola.

Sorry for the long winded nerd spiel

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Hope that helps

nknk2 · Unread post by **nknk2** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 9:29 pm

What I have read till now on this forum and other hoodoo blogs, the Intranqui Spirit is pretty safe to work with. One rootworker wrote on her blog about IS spell on a public blog, and she said she wouldn't have given it had it been unsafe.

Anyhow, my point of view is that while using IS, I wish to make my love as restless as I feel without him. I mean had I been not restless without him, I wouldn't resort to IS, would I?

Santa Muerte is something I don't want do, no matter what happens in future.

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:05 pm

Hopefully I won't miss a question, but I'm not a fan of creating a dozen quotes from previous posters so here goes:

First, yes the spirit you are working with in the Intranqui Spirit spell is considered a damned spirit. It is a restless spirit doomed to hell. Some relate it to simply a restless "ghost,", but recall the petition specifically says, "Oh Intranquil Sprit, you that are in *hell*.."

The spell is not unsafe per se, but does have its side-effects and is not meant for everyone. Working with spirits is always tricky business. If you cannot control them then you can cause more problems than you solve. The IS is much more managable than most of the spirits out there, it already has a set purpose, already has established history, so in that case its great. Nevertheless, this isn't the first spell someone should jump into. Most people either use this spell first, or cast a couple spells here or there and then jump into the IS. The IS should be called upon as a last resort. That is the true purpose of the IS spell. There are so many coercive love spells that a person can cast before jumping right into work like this.

Does a Hell exist? That's up to you to decide. Some people believe in a symbolic existence, others a literal. Some claim that Hell is the absence of God, or His Virtue as in the Qabalistic Qlipphoth, other equate it with a place of everlasting Judgement. Personal belief is not for me to tell you. However, understand that if you are going to work with hoodoo you better have at least the ability to set aside your personal mistrust of Scripture and have the ability to at least respect the symbols your working with..

Personally I am a hermeticist we have different views of heaven and hell than most people, but that a story for another time

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Finally, I always am intrigued by how many people are uncomfortable going to graveyards, working with their *own* ancestors, or other graveyard spirits, but then are ready to call upon an angry, vengeful spirit from hell. Again, I am not one who will tell you not to use the IS spell. There are times when it is called for, but I do caution that all other avenues should be exhausted first. Plus, the IS isn't always a clean process of reconciliation...

nknk2 · Unread post by **nknk2** » Tue Jan 12, 2010 7:06 pm

CM, you should start your own blog!!!!

ShadoWalker · Unread post by **ShadoWalker** » Tue Feb 02, 2010 3:01 pm

When I work with St. Lazurus I always leave a hot cup of coffee and I also leave him a cigar. Once as the cup of coffee gets cold then I remove it from his altar. With the cigar I will light it and blow the smoke on his statue. Sometimes I will even shotgun the cigar blowing the smoke on his statue and then leave the cigar in a fireproof dish to burn out.

skyme714 · Unread post by **skyme714** » Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:16 am

I understand that the Intranquil Spirit is a last resort. BUT..

What if none of current spells bring the result, and one decide to go with IS... how long it is possible not to be in contact with target for IS to still work? Cause if other spells fail, time passes by too. Wont it be too late for IS to work then? Just checkin...

Unread post by **Mama Micki** » Thu Feb 04, 2010 8:33 am

There are over six billion people on this planet, roughly half of each gender. Of these, there are probably millions that would be a suitable partner for each person who desires one.

So why would anyone risk calling on a spirit from Hell or the spirit of Death just to bring back a romantic partner? Because of the belief that each person has only one "soul mate" and if one does not have that person, one is doomed to a lonely existence. Not true. If everyday magic and mundane effort are not enough to get the person, I think it's time to move on.

Unread post by **Devi Spring** » Thu Feb 04, 2010 8:36 am

I agree with that whole heartedly Mama Micki!

skyme714 · Unread post by **skyme714** » Thu Feb 04, 2010 10:59 am

Idealistically - I agree too. I hope you not gonna rip me apart for this BUT: when you walk down the street, HONESTLY, how many guys you see worth looking at?

So since I know what I have (my bf), Id rather stick with it and work on it. Later, if I have to move on, I can say to myself I TRIED and let go!

Unread post by **Mama Micki** » Thu Feb 04, 2010 1:50 pm

1. I see plenty of attractive men.

2. Looks aren't everything.

Unread post by **Devi Spring** » Thu Feb 04, 2010 6:09 pm

LOL - agreed. I'm not in it for a supermodel. I'm in it for an appropriate life partner...luckily I found that!

kmew1315 · Unread post by **kmew1315** » Thu Feb 04, 2010 6:54 pm

skyme714 wrote:when you walk down the street, HONESTLY, how many guys you see worth looking at?

And right there is your problem. Start looking at the person and not at the shell they're living in. Yes, it's important that you have at least some attraction to your partner, but if you're walking down the street and you hardly see anyone worth looking at, you're putting WAY too much emphasis on the wrong things (either that or you need to move

). Too many people are looking for that really hot guy/girl and if they have a great personality to go with it, that's a bonus. Instead, look for that guy/girl who's a really great person and if they're really hot, that's a bonus.

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Thu Feb 04, 2010 11:27 pm

I shall skip the advice since you seem to have gotten a good deal of sage advice.

If your spells are failing, get a divination to discover what is going on, why they are not manifesting the way you want, what blocks need to be addressed etc. Make sure that you've given enough time for your work to manifest.

If you are already in contact with your ex, the Intranuil Spirit may not be the best solution for you. The idea is that they are tormented enough that they come running back. Contact helps allieviate some of that torture. The spell is still aimed at making them come to you, but contact helps them get through some of the torture.

As to time, don't worry, the IS can be cast when all else fails. I've seen it cast by a person to get back an ex of a long time and it still worked. It took time to manifest, but it worked.

P.S after the ex came back they dated for 6 months then broke up...

skyme714 · Unread post by **skyme714** » Fri Feb 05, 2010 3:44 am

I knew its gonna come down on me

But men, why everybody assumed that I'm looking for a HOT guy! Hot guys are just temporary thing, not long-term.
Im not a super model but Ive been there.. never I want to be with a HOT guy... besides, hot guys are usually players hence more problems. Why would I want to complicate my life?? And I know not to judge the book by its cover, and I live by it, and it just keeps proving me that its true (happened again as recently as 4 days ago).

There is much more to it than just the looks, BUT if a person looks unkept, messy hair, dirty shoes, oversized hanging/stained jeans - that tells you about the person. You see their face expression... try to imitate their lips.. position your lips as another person's - and you can instantly feel the state of the mind of that person: angry, depressed, annoyed etc. Do you feel atracted to a person in such state of mood at the moment? I agree he might be having this particular bad day or whatever, but the moment passed, and you passed that person on the street, and never see him again, maybe in better mood.

Yes, as cleopatra said "There are over six billion people on this planet, roughly half of each gender. Of these, there are probably millions that would be a suitable partner for each person who desires one." But some of them gay, some of them way out of your age rage, some of them have opposite from yours priorities/views/values, some of them criminals/alchoholics/on drugs/jerks/ etc., with some of them you just dont click, some people are just not attracted to you, some of them you will never meet because they are all over the world... so its not that many to chose from when it comes down to it.

When in college, I knew at least 3,000 students but chose 1 guy I spent 5 years with, and never I met anybody I would leave him for.

Peace

faith2008 · Unread post by **faith2008** » Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:07 am

Hi everyone! Hope you guys are having a blessed day. I ordered the book on saints from LM and I am waiting on it's arrival but I thought I would get some opinions on which one you guys think would be the best since there are so many and I am only familiar with a very few. I am wanting to build a relationship with one or more of the saints to protect myself and my children from meddling people...namely my MIL. She's a very vindictive person. I wouldn't say she practices any form of magic per se but she is a devote Catholic that prays to the saints and it is possible that she's using this against us in some sort of manner. Maybe not intentionally to cause problems...but the again you never know. I do know she has a lot of influence over my husband and I would like to end that as much as I can. We are going to be tied together for the rest of our lives and I would like for us to be able to parent together without her sticking her nose in which she does ALOT. She has done a very good job of "brainwashing" my husband about her ideas of marriage among other things that have caused a lot of problems for us. Why anyone would lead their child to believe that marriage is suppose to be all roses and you shouldn't have to work at things is beyond me. In my opinion that is just setting someone up for failure and it is completely unfair. Guess that's why her second marriage is not "working out" as well as she thought it would. Anyhow I was thinking possibly St Michael as he could "cut" the ties between them in regards to our children but I was wondering what ya'lls opinion was and if there are any others that you would recommend. I thought if I could go ahead and decide then I could order my statue when I place my next order instead of having to wait on the book. The when my book gets here I can spend my time getting familiar with my saints of choice.

Thanks so much for your input. It is greatly appreciated.

Hugs,
Hope

Unread post by **Miss Kerry** » Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:18 am

Hi Faith2008

Yeah Saint Michael is a good person to have on your side. He is very protective from negative influences and indeed work with him to cut the negative aspects that your MIL throws your way!

Kerry

Unread post by **Mama Micki** » Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:40 am

Holy Family would be a good choice also. You can use this Bible verse in your work:

For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh. Genesis 2:24 (NIV)

faith2008 · Unread post by **faith2008** » Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:51 am

Thank you kerrycharm. I have been leaning toward him because of all of the wonderful things I have read here on this board. It's nice to have others input too. Helps me feel more confident in my choices.

Thanks Cleopatra. I just love that name. I haven't done much reading on the holy family but I will now. I love that quote too. I believe I quoted it to my husband a few times during our marriage but it never sank in. Who knows with the help from the holy family and Saint Michael we might not be as much of a lost cause as I thought. I had pretty much given up hope on us and was just trying to find ways to make things as peaceful as possible but that just may make me rethink things. Of course a reading would be in order first. BUT it is definitely something to think about.

Does anyone have any other suggestions as to any other saints that would be good in this situation. I'm looking for a tag team, lol. I've put up with this woman for seven years and it would be nice to just shut her down.

Thanks,
Hope

Unread post by **Literarylioness** » Fri Feb 12, 2010 2:53 pm

You need to work on your husband and not the mother-in-law. You married him, not her. You do not have a problem with your mother-in-law, you have a problem with your husband putting her above you. Never good for a marriage. You two are a team. He should have told his mother to back off a while ago.

She cannot use the saints against you. The saints do not work that way. The saints are always working for the greater good. That's why St. Anthony does not bring back bums to all the people who ask him for help with lost love.

St. Rita is the patron saint of help in marital difficulties. You could do a Google search on her. If you work with St. Michael, ask that he help your husband grow a pair of balls.

Mary

faith2008 · Unread post by **faith2008** » Fri Feb 12, 2010 4:38 pm

Literarylioness wrote:You need to work on your husband and not the mother-in-law. You married him, not her. You do not have a problem with your mother-in-law, you have a problem with your husband putting her above you. Never good for a marriage. You two are a team. He should have told his mother to back off a while ago.

She cannot use the saints against you. The saints do not work that way. The saints are always working for the greater good. That's why St. Anthony does not bring back bums to all the people who ask him for help with lost love.

St. Rita is the patron saint of help in marital difficulties. You could do a Google search on her. If you work with St. Michael, ask that he help your husband grow a pair of balls.

Mary

Thank you Mary. You made me laugh and I needed that. I will definitely look up St Rita and as soon as my St Michael statue get here I will start praying for him some balls! You just have no idea what a two faced *itch that woman is. I have never in my life dispised someone like I dispise her. I swear, if we make it through this I am hot footing her butt to the other side of the world. I know now why all the rest of her kids are either in other states or mental institutes. Ok, end of rant. Well maybe not end but I'll shut up cause I know you guys don't want to hear it. I'm just so sick of crying and I'm so sick of her being "better" than me. Ok, I'm shutting up and I'm going to go google St. Rita. One question though, is there anything I can do to make him grow up?

Hugs,
Hope

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:24 pm

Mastery and John the Conqueror products are great to help him become more assertive and take control. A word of caution though, despite the amusing tone of Mary's post-and this may not be the case-however, if your husband is from a different culture where mothers have a strong hold over their sons then no amount of work is going to get him to break off the influence of his mother, but it may help manage it. This isn't always the case, but is something to consider.

I might recommend that you take a two-pronged approach. Work on your husband to help him see with clarity that he has chosen to be in union with you and that now *you* are his family. This means that while he should honor and respect his mother, that you come first. I would probably work with John the Conqueror, Mastery, and Clarity products to help in this case. Cast off Evil even may help. While this latter product is aimed at addiction it can also be used to weaken the undue influence of those people who have brought negativity, even if its not deliberate.

The second approach would be to sweeten the mother-in-law to you. You are her daughter-in-law now and she's going to have to accept that at some point in time.

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:54 pm

LOL...I love how mary tells a man to grow a pair of balls. And in this case...he most certainly does need to.

faith2008 · Unread post by **faith2008** » Sat Feb 13, 2010 2:33 am

starsinthesky7 wrote:LOL...I love how mary tells a man to grow a pair of balls. And in this case...he most certainly does need to.

Thank you Starsintheaky7. The balls part cracked me up and believe me I needed it. I've been planning on doing a honey jar on her. I'm waiting on an order to arrive though. I'll be sending you a PM later today. I think I'm going to need your help.

Hugs,
Hope

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Sat Feb 13, 2010 5:51 am

cat writes in her book the importance of a man's mother is in his life and the wife or girlfriend must understand that principle. I agree with ConjureMan in this instance; from personal experience, different cultures influence this issue and this is a very strong bond. I would sweeten the mother-in-law and at the same time follow the ritual ConjureMan suggests.

Unread post by **Mama Micki** » Sat Feb 13, 2010 10:24 am

You could also work with Adam and Eve products along with the verse from my previous post to emphasize that your marriage is now your husband's primary relationship, not the one with his mother. I agree with Mary; he needs to start being a man and grow up.

I'm glad I married a childless orphan.

Unread post by **cabriellenil** » Sat Feb 13, 2010 11:36 am

I was with a Chinese man who, despite having grown up in the States, has very traditional family values. His mother and I had issues because of his extended family - it's not even something that happened between us - and from there my relationship had a lot of difficulties.

If I were you I'd definitely start with some strong cleansing and protection work of my household. Do work with St Michael as he'd help you as long as your cause is just - I've always had rapid results working with him. I know you don't have the heart to do a honey jar (with blue candles) on the MIL, but that's something you should consider.

CM is right that High John and Clarity are in order here...and maybe Courage products. Try a figural candle for this.

Unread post by **Literarylioness** » Sat Feb 13, 2010 1:01 pm

St. Michael will help the husband gain courage in standing up to his mother. A man can honor his mother and honor his wife. It is part of being an adult. The husband can say: "I love you mother, but this is between my wife and me." The guy should never have gotten married if he wanted his mother to control his life,

As far as cultures go, most cultures understand this dynamic of marriage.

Mary