Disposal of Ritual Remains Questions and Answers

suzyparker · Unread post by **suzyparker** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 5:52 pm

Mary thanks.. so it shouldn't be snuffed at all.. just burn straight through.. I guess the bathtub would be safe.. I just worry becuase I have a cat

Unread post by **Mama Micki** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 6:32 pm

Put the candle in a room with a door and shut the door so the cat can't get it.

mmcpower · Unread post by **mmcpower** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 6:32 am

Ok so I didn't see anywhere on how to dispose of the little tins from the tea light candles. How do you dispose of the tins properly? Do I bury it with the rest of the items or do I just throw them away?

Thanks - Marie

Unread post by **Mama Micki** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:13 am

Tea light tins are pure aluminum. Aluminum can be recycled. Please recycle them with your other aluminum tins.

Frater Hod · Unread post by **Frater Hod** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:39 am

Aluminum, paper, and glass are indeed among the most easily recycled products we use in all forms of magic. Herbs and roots can be cast back into Nature. The rest should be recycled.

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:06 am

I put the tealight tins with the other metal recycling in my bins. I have never had them come back, nor has my disposal service ever told me they are not accepted. They are aluminum, after all, a valuable commodity in the recycling business.

Okami175 · Unread post by **Okami175** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:08 am

What makes me a little nuts about most spells is that they simply don't take into consideration that many of us live in urban environments where we can't follow all of the instructions given. I live in NYC. Most problematic? Disposal or placement or remains or artifacts.

"Bury under your enemy's doorstep." Or "Bury this in front of your target's house to tangle him up and prevent revenge, if any." Great, except that your "enemy" lives in another apartment building, WITH a 24/7 doorman. Forget getting past the doorman. How about that tree in front, with the big PLEASE DO NOT DISTURB OR LET YOUR DOG PEE ON THIS TREE sign on it? Noooo, because the doorman is watching you dig a hole besides the tree and will take issue. Which is a good thing, I suppose, when you consider all the abuse these poor city trees take. But WTF?

"Take remainder of wax to a crossroads and bury it." Oh, sure. I guess I could go to Times Square, the cross roads of the *world,* as they refer to it, but BURY? Nope.

And you can forget parks. You can't even bury a dead parakeet without a vigilant park's person (a stern man or woman in a uniform) stopping you.

Go at night? Are you kidding? Not if you value your life. I mean, I know some self defense and have some nice, sharp weapons which I know how to use, but I'd rather not get into a dog fight at 2AM with some guy who wants my wallet or who is a rapist because I need to bury my melted wax or spell bottle or whatever.

Bury it in a GRAVEYARD? Big no-no. The historical ones, like Trinity Church, are watched. The other two graveyards in the city are off-limits, and I've yet to get up the courage to enter the deserted Calgary Cemetery in Queens -- where literally THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of people are buried -- because I've been warned NOBODY knows what can happen to you in there.

I don't want to disrespect the powers I've invoked for help. And I want the spell to work. I realized these spells are very old, but what the heck is a city person to do?

Unread post by **Turnsteel** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:47 am

Deal with it.

Hoodoo came from the rural south, like the fact that it is Christian the fact that it was developed by poor southern country folk is an inescapable part of what hoodoo is. I'm sure you can figure out a way to do the spell properly if you really want the spell to succeed. It sounds like you have a very fatalistic and self-defeating attitude, not something you want if you ever hope to succeed. If you find hoodoo too difficult try something a bit more simple, chaos magic maybe.

Okami175 · Unread post by **Okami175** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:52 am

HailDiscordia / Turnsteel,

Well, I've tried to deal with it, and had problems as a result. That's why I asked the question. If there are no 21st century ways to deal, then I guess you answered the question, and perhaps I shouldn't be doing what I'm doing, which is something that never occurred to me.

YouTube · Unread post by **Miss Bri** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 11:41 am

Okami175,

You are thinking about this in a narrow manner.

First off, of all the tricks that can be laid down in traditional Hoodoo, only a relatively small number actually call for burial. As Hail Discordia / Turnsteel said, Hoodoo developed in the American rural South and some elements like disposing of bathwater in your yard or at a crossroads are just a part of it. If you are committed to working this kind of magic then you should be committed to following through with the work that you are doing.

However, Hoodoo also has a healthy history of being practiced and incorporated in cities and urban areas. I live in San Francisco and I practice for myself and clients and have done so successfully ever since living here. Some of the largest hoodoo supply houses have been located in urban areas and some very influential practitioners have come from those same areas as well.

If you can't bury something at your enemies doorstep then you sprinkle powders down, you blend them with dirt to disguise their presence on the concrete if you want to be sneaky. You dress doorknobs, you send dressed letters, money, or checks. You work honey jars and hot foot jars.

Truly there are many roads to getting your way. Stop worrying about what can't work and focus on what can.

good luck,
Bri

Unread post by **Mama Micki** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 11:56 am

Okami175,

Try getting out of the city once in a while. If you need to bury remains away from your home, take a short drive or bus trip to a more suburban or rural area. For positive work, you can bury it in a potted plant in your apartment if you can't find a place outside where you won't be watched.

There are little towns all over the US with historic cemeteries that are not closely watched. However, you do not have to visit a graveyard at all. Just find a different spell to accomplish your goal.

Don't give up. Sure, Hoodoo originated in the rural southern US, but most of us live in suburbs and cities now, and we adapt to our circumstances, just like our predecessors did.

Okami175 · Unread post by **Okami175** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 3:18 pm

Cleopatra & Bri --- Hmmmm. Perhaps if you have access to someone's car , which I do from time to time . . .

Thanks, you two, I just had me an idea.

I do have 'em from time to time.

Brida · Unread post by **Brida** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 7:33 pm

Hi!

Okay, I live in the city, and it is really hard to find a place to go before sunrise to throw a bucket of water over my left shoulder. I am not sure I can even lift a full bucket of water high enough to toss over my left shoulder. Also, is a crossroad is an intersection. If I throw it at an intersection, it might get someone wet, and that is not nice.

Please advise.

hugs,
Brida

Unread post by **Mama Micki** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 7:46 pm

Doesn't have to be a full-size bucket. A cup will do, as a symbolic gesture.

Unread post by **Literarylioness** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:06 pm

Brida,

I am in a city too and I have done it. You just take a bit of the water, not a full bucket and go out before dawn. No one thinks anything of it, especially at 5 am. If I can do this in San Francisco, I am sure you can do it in your city.

Mary

Unread post by **Devi Spring** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 9:04 pm

Yea, I've taken a half-water bottle full of water and tossed it at an intersection in the middle of downtown Toronto. It should be doable wherever you are.

Brida · Unread post by **Brida** » Thu Sep 10, 2009 11:13 pm

Thank you all for the clear up.

I will do what needs to be done!

hugs,
Brida

Unread post by **Chagrinedgirl** » Sat Sep 12, 2009 8:51 pm

Actually since the tins are aluminum (at least on the ones I buy) I do toss them in the recycle.

Astrophel · Unread post by **Astrophel** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:56 pm

I have the same problem here in San Francisco, but I've just took my chances with parks and been fine. I'd just suggest one thing, which is if you haven't TRIED going to the park, do so. Are you certain you'd be stopped by someone in a uniform during the day? Are you certain you'll get mugged at night? I've buried things in the day while acting like this is completely normal and nobody even looked at me. There's supposed to be gang activity in a lot of the places I go at night, but the worst I've ever encountered is people smoking pot or having sex in the bushes. New York City might be different, but at least give it a chance rather than letting fear consume you.

As for dumping things off in the middle of Times Square - why not? I'm sure you know, living in a big city, that nobody gives a SHIT what you do unless you're having a knife fight on the bus or something. I speak from the experience of having done things of that nature in the heart of downtown while the homeless watched. Just move in quickly, act like whatever you're doing is completely normal, ignore everyone else and go.

One more thing:

Guys, I know you get frustrated with people coming in from other traditions and asking stupid questions about hoodoo, but is it really appropriate to respond to someone who is showing some level of respect and understanding with a dismissive "deal with it"?

Any time a practice moves to a new cultural context, of course issues of logistics will arise and those need to be dealt with constructively rather than haughtily brushed off. At least okami is bothering to learn authentic hoodoo rather than just figuring it's okay to dispose of the spell remains wherever.

I asked the same question myself to the Lucky Mojo staff in person because I was wondering if parks/sidewalks were good enough.

NotDorianGray · Unread post by **NotDorianGray** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:22 am

Down a stormwater drain at a crossroad intersection. Easy enough to do, it's underground, the water will take it away and cleanse it. Say a prayer under your breath as you do so if you wish. Hoodoo can be adapted to your circumstances if you're open minded and look for solutions. If you can't bury, can you burn it? Can you throw it in a river with a prayer? As with any magical tradition, you need to make it work for you.

Astrophel · Unread post by **Astrophel** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:57 pm

NotDorianGray,

I think that's a great idea, but you have to be careful what you throw down drains...make sure it's biodegradable and non-toxic. Be aware that many drains feed into larger water sources and throwing trash down them carelessly can pollute. Most of the ones here end in the Bay, for example - even far out into the suburbs.

detached · Unread post by **detached** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 5:32 pm

ok so the rest of the water that u don't throw, u jus let it go dwn the drain?

Unread post by **Devi Spring** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 5:33 pm

detached --

Yes.

gingerly88 · Unread post by **gingerly88** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:27 pm

If giving an offering of food, should it not be consumed after? Or is it always disposed of another way. For example, if the poundcake is left for St. Expedite for a bit & then eaten, is that wrong? I have never worked with saints before...

NotDorianGray · Unread post by **NotDorianGray** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:31 pm

I don't eat food I have given up as an offering. I see that as selfish and taking back your gift. It is much better to pass it on.

Unread post by **Devi Spring** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 7:28 pm

NotDorianGray,

While it is acceptable to many to distribute food and liquid offerings to animals and plants in nature, there are plenty of spiritual traditions where you are pretty much expected to eat the offerings afterwards. For one thing, in many places, food simply cannot be wasted -- and so it is eaten after it is offered. In Eastern traditions, especially in Hinduism, in exchange for the offering, the deity is said to bestow a special blessing upon the food, and so it is eaten afterwards to take a portion of the grace and influence of that deity into yourself.

Malefic · Unread post by **Malefic** » Sun Sep 27, 2009 11:50 pm

If I burned the candle in the tin, I dispose of the tin with the rest of the spell remains. (Yes, it's not especially biodegradable but neither are the lodestones, bottle spells, synthetic wrapping-fabrics, paraffin remnants and other such things we use in conjure. I don't think the concept of trash being 'harmful' to the earth was really a part of the mindset around these spells when they were developed.)

If I took the candle out of the tin before burning it, I just put the tin in the trash unless I have some other use for it. (Sometimes the tins are good for other things like holding small offerings, keeping your incense plate off the tabletop, etc.)

Unread post by **Mama Micki** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:58 am

Actually, I just discovered that the wax residue will pop out of the tin, so the tin can be recycled.

silver_disc · Unread post by **silver_disc** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 6:54 am

On the "Love Me" page, the instructions state to:

"Pour the water over your head 9 times as you say the 23rd Psalm and name what you want. Air-dry yourself and collect a basin of the used bath water, which now has your essence in it. Dress in fresh, clean clothes, carry the basin of bath-water to a crossroads and throw the water toward the sunrise in the East. Walk back home and don't look back"

But I've read that used bathwater/remnants from "positive" spells and baths should be sprinkled and buried in your home/garden respectively to draw the positive influences to your home.

What are your thoughts on this?

Thank you in advance for your help!

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 11:15 am

On the Lucky Mojo website, here http://www.luckymojo.com/layingtricks.html sit tates, "If you want to disperse it to a distance, throw it into a crossroads" .... in the case of the love spell, I would disperse it at crossroads leading to your house from your lovers home if possible. Just my thoughts.

silver_disc · Unread post by **silver_disc** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:56 am

Thanks for responding, jwmcclin, but I'm still quite confused. Why would I want to leave something that I want at a crossroads to disperse?

For reference, I'm doing the Love Me bath to work on my self-confidence and attractiveness- which do you think would best suit my situation?

Thank you very much

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 9:37 am

LM provides the traditional method of disposal with baths.

The idea with crossroads disposal is to send out a connection to the other person, who is presumed to be at a distance. The crossroads connects you to that person, wherever he or she is in the world.

When I do a love bath, I disperse or deploy it in my front yard to the east...but the one i love is close.

However, you have chosen to use the Love Me spell kit in an unconventional way, to increase your own general attractiveness, so since you have no need to connect to anyone, you may use your own yard for the disposal, and it will be fine.

silver_disc · Unread post by **silver_disc** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 4:02 am

jwmcclin

I think I'll go with your idea.. Thank you very much for your help!

YouTube · Unread post by **Miss Bri** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 8:25 am

hiighpriestess,

I think that your orginal question here stems from a misunderstanding about the role of the crossroads in Hoodoo. A crossroads is not simply used to disperse and get rid of things, it is an intersection, and as such it has a number of meanings, including providing a pathway between your hoped-for lover and yourself.

You are using Love Me products, but your spell intention is not fully the same as the way most people use those products. Therefore you can go to the secondary level of meaning: They key to the love me bath is that you are disposing the water towards the EAST so as the sun rises, the strength of the love spell rises along with it, and love will enter your life.

good luck,
Bri

silver_disc · Unread post by **silver_disc** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 8:40 am

Thank you very much for your clarification, Bri!

But since my Love Me bath is not being used in a romantic sense, as jwmcclin advised, I will bury it in my garden towards the east as the sun rises, since the spell is for me alone (for banishing insecurities and boost self-confidence)?

Sorry for all the questions, and thank you again!

maduro01 · Unread post by **maduro01** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:43 am

Hello everyone,

What is a good way to dispose of candles and flowers and/or food (offered to a Saint)? Can I just trash them after the work is completed, or is there a way to go about it?

thelightfantastic · Unread post by **thelightfantastic** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 12:10 pm

I'm sure this has been covered here before, but any leftover food items should be fed to the birds or other wildlife. You can put flowers in a compost pile or something of that nature. The idea is to reuse the items offered instead of simply throwing them out which would be wasteful and disrespectful. As for the candles, I would dispose of them at a crossroads.

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 12:10 pm

I usually bury the remains in my yard if it is for something that I am requesting.

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Fri Oct 02, 2009 12:24 pm

When in doubt reference http://www.luckymojo.com/layingtricks.html

Dani2 · Unread post by **Dani2** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 8:11 am

Thanks for the link - I read all of it and can't find what to do with the remains of a glass-enclosed Intranquility candle. The candle burned clear with no wax left but the metal (for the wick) and some of the herbs it was prepared with are at the bottom. Am I supposed to shake those out and dispose of that, or does the entire thing (glass) has to go? Can anyone who has done the IS kit/candle share how they disposed of it? Thanks

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 10:18 am

Dispose of the glass in the trash, and bury the name paper at your front porch, or in a potted plant near the front porch.

Unread post by **Mama Micki** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 10:35 am

Please recycle the glass if possible.

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 2:38 pm

If you plan to continue the spell at another time, you can also reuse the

NotDorianGray · Unread post by **NotDorianGray** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 6:51 pm

For the glass jars encasing saints candles or other benevolent candles, you can use them as vases to hold offertory flowers.

Azna21 · Unread post by **Azna21** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 8:53 pm

Greetings:
I've read the LM website on how to properly discard of the remains of a 7-day vigil candle and petition based on the intention of the spell, but I remain uncertain on how to properly dispose of the remains and petition of my boss fix candle ... I'm thinking (could be wrong) I shouldn't throw it out at the crossroads or in moving water b/c I don't want to be separated from him/my job, or either to go away just yet - I just want to be treated w/more respect, and him to stop blaming others (including me) when he makes mistakes/screws things up.

If this topic was already discussed, I apologize, but I really did spend time trying to research this topic before posting yet another boss fix question.

Love & Light,
Azna21

Unread post by **Turnsteel** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 8:58 pm

Crossroads would work. I wouldn't use the river if you do not want one or the other of you to be carried away.

Azna21 · Unread post by **Azna21** » Sat Oct 03, 2009 9:27 pm

Thanks HaliDiscordia!

NotDorianGray · Unread post by **NotDorianGray** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 3:23 am

You could always bury it somewhere that you visit regularly, where you can literally 'walk all over' your boss.

Unread post by **Mama Micki** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 9:51 am

How about burying it at your workplace?

Azna21 · Unread post by **Azna21** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 4:18 pm

Thanks NotDorianGray & Cleopatra ... suggestion to bury the spell remains are great too ... just gotta figure out how to do so on the down low. =)

jewel · Unread post by **jewel** » Tue Oct 20, 2009 5:57 pm

When you are done with a spell you are supposed to keep the remains in the front yard to keep it close But what if the front door you dont use at all? There is a small yard with a main road. Everyone uses the back door behind the house as as the main entrance. So where do I put the remains? Back or front-

NotDorianGray · Unread post by **NotDorianGray** » Tue Oct 20, 2009 9:20 pm

If it's good, bury it where you'll walk over it. If it has negative energy, crossroads.

Unread post by **Joseph Magnuson** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 10:10 am

This has been an extremely helpful thread! Thank you all!

I love that the best questions always seem to start with, "This might sound dumb, but..."

Any more advice for various offerings?

NotDorianGray · Unread post by **NotDorianGray** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 2:18 am

For one of the deities I work with, I have crafted a specific incense just to burn as an offering for her. I think it makes your offering both more personal and more spiritual if you craft it yourself. For example, you could bake a cake for St Expedite instead of buying one. Grow your own flowers. Collect rainwater instead of offering stuff from the tap. In the end, though, most spirits will accept whatever you are able to offer them. Some may have traditional or favourite offerings, but nothing will be turned down.

katedsimmons · Unread post by **katedsimmons** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:42 pm

Just wondering how every one disposes of there candle Jars, what I mean is the 7 day candles in glass containers.

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:04 pm

We went over this already, but some people recycle them as in taking them to a recycling plant while others reuse them by putting in pull out candles.

katedsimmons · Unread post by **katedsimmons** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 10:48 am

I'm sorry I did not see that it was already posted. I will look better next time. Thank you so much for the info. I just wanted to make sure that nothing I was doing was wrong.
Blessings

Unread post by **Paradox** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:48 pm

It was a perfectly valid question - don't feel you were in the wrong.

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:40 pm

Oh I didnt mean it in a mean way. Just was saying. Sorry if I came off offensively.

Unread post by **JayDee** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:45 pm

its a good questions asked often because many people see it as a magical tool. I keep em around a while to see the changes in candles incase I think a bad burned occured I can reference. I also put floweres in them as they make really nices vaces,and help set the magical mood.... then when they get too used I recycle