Disposal of Ritual Remains Questions and Answers

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 7:00 am

Hello, PrincessTumbles,

This forum is for those interested in the tradition of hoodoo. In that tradition, deploying works of cursing is an important factor in the completion of the job. If you think you are the first newbie who decided that ritual deployment is not necessary, you have another think coming -- and i am perfectly willing to explain the matter to you.

First, you confused deployment -- setting the spell to work permanently in or from a set location -- with disposal -- getting rid of the elements used in the spell.

You disposed of the doll. You did not deploy it.

The problem with disposing of a cursed doll in your home trash and imagining that it is out somewhere rotting is this: you are IMAGINING that it is out there rotting.

You yourself did not deploy the curse!

You confused disposal with deployment and then you left the work in the hands of OTHER PEOPLE and you have no idea what became of it. You substituted an enjoyable FANTASY for the sure and certain knowledge of where that mess ended up.

When i put a doll in the graveyard, i KNOW what i did. I don't have to "pretend," like some little girl imagining that she is a "powerful witch." I did it myself, with my own hands.

So your statement, "I know it's not traditional but" sounds to me like you are saying, "I don't really care about the tens of thousands of elders and ancestors who came before me and preserved this precious African American cultural treasure into the days of the internet so that i could learn about it online instead of from my own community members and i want to tell you all about me because i have a way of working that is unique and special."

Well, good for you.

Next you ask, "Do you think it could still work?"

Honey, that question, "Do you think it could still work?" sounds to me like you are saying, "I have no community, no teacher, and no guide in this cultural tradition and i don't want one because i don't care about the tradition anyway and i'd like to make up my own special imaginary way of working, but i want praise and affirmation, so i'd like random strangers to vote on whether what i am doing is effective."

Okay, i'll vote:

If your non-traditional imaginary curse were working, you wouldn't have come here to ask us old traditional folks if it could work, now, would you?

'Nuff said.

To understand the vital magical difference between deployment and disposal, please see this web page from my free online book "Hoodoo in Theory and Practice:

Laying Tricks and Disposing of Ritual Remains in the Hoodoo Tradition
http://luckymojo.com/layingtricks.html

Princess_LoveDiva · Unread post by **Princess_LoveDiva** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:40 am

Well like I said Catherine I am still learning, but thanks for the clarification of deploying and destroying.

And it sounds to me you have completely misinterpreted my post and have incorrectly taken it to mean that I'm trying to cr@p all over tradition. Not so. I'm trying to learn just like you had to when you started.

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 2:22 pm

PrincessTumbles,

Ah, we still have a language problem. I'd like to work on that.

I did not attempt "the clarification of deploying and destroying." In fact, i never used the word "destroying" at all in that post.

What i was talking about was the difference between deployment and disposal.

And i shall be very clear here: Disposal is not destroying.

So we actually have FOUR ideas now, thanks to you, and i would like to define them and briefly explain them:

1) Deployment and Laying Tricks:

Deployment is a method of sending the work into the world to do your command. You have heard on the news how a nation "deploys troops" to a war or disaster zone. When you set a spell to working in a certain place, against a certain person or a certain condition you similarly deploy it. An old term for deployment of magical items in laying tricks. Think about laying land mines. Both deployment and laying tricks are terms that refer to the oppositional, conquering, or antagonistic (but not necessarily harmful; in fact, you may be winning someone over for love or for a job) side of folk-magic. You want something done and you basically send your magic into the world to get it done. Laying tricks refers primarily to African American foot track magic. Deployment is a more anthropological term. There are many ways to lay tricks and deploy ritual items, and you may read about them here:

Laying Tricks and Disposing of Ritual Remains in the Hoodoo Tradition
http://luckymojo.com/layingtricks.html

2) Dispersal

Dispersal is a method of sending a spell out into the world in a genral and non-directional manner. Think of the way a dandelion head lets its seeds fly. Dispersal at a crossroads or in an Ants' nest are both common methods.

There are many ways to disperse spells, and some are described here:

Laying Tricks and Disposing of Ritual Remains in the Hoodoo Tradition
http://luckymojo.com/layingtricks.html

3) Disposal

When a spell is finished, there may be left over items. If they are supplies it is wise to keep them on hand for future use. If they were material used in the performance of a spell, they may be disposed of. There are many ways to dispose of ritual items. Some of these ways involve extending the effect of the work (e.g. dispersal), while others limit the effect of the work (e.g. containment), and a third type simply mark the ending of the active phase of the work (e.g. closure).

A number of old-time favourite ways to dispose of ritual remains are logged here:

Laying Tricks and Disposing of Ritual Reains in the Hoodoo Tradition
http://luckymojo.com/layingtricks.html

4) Destruction

If a spell has been for one reason or another decided upon to be undone, it may be destroyed. In addition, there are spells in which an entity (a person or spirit, usually) is destroyed in effigy. Destruction may take place in fire, mire, or corrosive liquid.

I suggested that if you wish revenge on someone and go to the trouble of making a doll-baby on the person, that you should then deploy it, not dispose of it.

Princess_LoveDiva · Unread post by **Princess_LoveDiva** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 3:41 pm

Thanks for breaking it all down. I've actually taken a screenshot of it to keep for my notes.

Qadesh · Unread post by **Qadesh** » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:24 pm

This is a stupid question, but I just have to ask. Many of the love spells involve the marking of territory or spaces, the burying of items in your front yard, etc. I'm military and I often move every 2-3 years. Do those items need to be dug up upon my departure. Is there something special that needs to be done to the space that was dressed? I would really hate for that respective person to find his way to my door only to find that there is someone else there....HA! HA!

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Sun Mar 17, 2013 9:36 am

Qadesh, this varies among workers. Some will dig up spells for drawing and bring them along while others will start anew at their new location.

Caedryn · Unread post by **Caedryn** » Fri Mar 22, 2013 8:46 am

Miss Bri wrote:For love workings it is fairly traditional to bury spell remains in the backyard for fidelity in the relationship. Some people will take the altar cloth on which they worked and on which the candle wax remains are, fold it towards them (to draw in the thing they want), turn it clockwise, fold it towards them again, sprinkle it with sachet powders for the appropriate condition and then bury it in the backyard. Others will do the same thing using a piece of paper, and I have known some who put the all of the remains in a brown paper sack, dress them with more oils and sachet powders and then bury them.

good luck,
Bri

If this has already been addressed, my apology. I am wondering why does a drawing working such as this have to be buried. What effect does the burying have? Why not keep it in the house?

johnny_gg · Unread post by **johnny_gg** » Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:24 am

sorry for reviving an old topic but im very new and have a similar question... my front garden in concrete... i have a love spell to dispose of yet ive no clue where to dispose of it

Unread post by **Doctor Hob** » Sat Mar 30, 2013 3:04 pm

Bury the remains in a potted plant, and keep it near your front door.

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Sat Mar 30, 2013 7:26 pm

We are taking for granted that you want to keep it close to you?

johnny_gg · Unread post by **johnny_gg** » Mon Apr 01, 2013 7:46 am

could I if i wished keep the remains in a safe place in my bedroom ? up on a shelf or in a cupboard in order to keep it close an pass it every day

orion · Unread post by **orion** » Tue Apr 02, 2013 5:58 pm

I have no idea where to put this thread, so I do apologize if it is in the wrong place.
Moderator please move to appropriate section, thank you.

Some work calls for a running river or stream. The dilemma I have is that there are no rivers or streams nearby. However, I live right near the ocean.

Would the ocean be a good alternative?

Thank you.

Roxi_goes_hard · Unread post by **Roxi_goes_hard** » Wed Apr 03, 2013 4:31 pm

I am in the beginning stage of a divorce from a man who is narcissistic. So far all the work I have done to this point has been successful. His narcissistic rage has quelled and he is keeping his distance from me like I want, and there has been a measurable attitude change, in part because he is out to keep me. I even had immediate success in hot footing his borderline personality mother! However, I want him out of my life for good and his nastiness to follow him and all the spells that are perfect for my desires require disposal of the work by means of burial (off my property, in a graveyard, etc.).

My query is what can I do that would have the same effect? I live in an urban area where fooling around in graveyards and private property will get you arrested and/or outed at any hour of the day or night. Security cameras and private security surveillance is the norm. The mirror box work sounds fantastic but I have nowhere safe and private to bury it!

I have done spells that required burial, but they were smaller in scale and more sympathetic. I substituted with burning or just throwing the work in a dumpster, where it will eventually be buried. I got desired results however this is a spell I can't afford to be wasted due to not performing it correctly.

I appreciate any suggestions or alternatives.

Unread post by **starsinthesky7** » Wed Apr 03, 2013 6:35 pm

Simply throw it away in a crossroads without looking back. This way it will be carried away from you. To me throwing something away in a dumpster is not a disposal method es not all trash is buried. It could have been recycled, and so on. So simply throw it in a crossroads, or put it in a flow source of water like a stream, river or ocean.

Roxi_goes_hard · Unread post by **Roxi_goes_hard** » Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:16 am

Thanks for your suggestions! Since I do live in an urban area, leaving a reasonably sized mirror box in a crossroad is not feasible. People report that kind of stuff to police. Also, recycling and trash are separate services and no one goes through trash looking for recyclables as they are already separated at pick up. In my city, trash is buried.

I guess I'm concerned about effect and privacy? Leaving my work in a city crossroads runs a strong risk of me being exposed (I'm solitary and practice in secret). I want the most bang for my efforts. I'm a bit of a perfectionist!

Also, I'm now considering a hot foot jar and a vinegar jar, in conjunction with a mirror box. My husband has emotionally blackmailed me, has been verbally abusive and manipulative, with me as his whipping girl. After 15 years of avoiding any spell work on him and taking the high road, it's time for the big guns (aka spells).

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:33 pm

If you are going to use the ocean to dispose of, disperse, or deploy a spell, I would highly advise you make sure it doesn't float or wash back upon the shore.

Release it as the tide ebbs, and prepare it in such a way that it sinks to the bottom as it drifts away from the shore.

The ocean is highly traditional for use in spell-work, particularly among African-American practitioners who live near the oceanic estuaries of the Del-Mar-Va and Pokomoke / Great Cypress Swamp areas.

Unread post by **Turnsteel** » Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:06 am

Roxi_goes_hard wrote:Thanks for your suggestions! Since I do live in an urban area, leaving a reasonably sized mirror box in a crossroad is not feasible. People report that kind of stuff to police. Also, recycling and trash are separate services and no one goes through trash looking for recyclables as they are already separated at pick up. In my city, trash is buried.

I guess I'm concerned about effect and privacy? Leaving my work in a city crossroads runs a strong risk of me being exposed (I'm solitary and practice in secret). I want the most bang for my efforts. I'm a bit of a perfectionist!

Also, I'm now considering a hot foot jar and a vinegar jar, in conjunction with a mirror box. My husband has emotionally blackmailed me, has been verbally abusive and manipulative, with me as his whipping girl. After 15 years of avoiding any spell work on him and taking the high road, it's time for the big guns (aka spells).

You could bury it at a grave, ask the spirit for permission and be sure to pay the spirit. Tho even if you do live in an urban area disposing of something at a crossroads shouldn't be a problem, do it very late at night if your that worried.

Unread post by **charmingstew** » Sun Apr 14, 2013 1:05 pm

Hi
I just finished my Marriage vigil candle and my instincts tell me to get all the glitter remains out of the glass and fold it into the petition paper folding toward me then bury it in the back yard? Does that sound correct? Would I be able to recycle the glass at that point?
Thanks,
Charming

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:35 pm

charmingstew,

Sure, you could do that. I have never heard of anyone advocating such a method, but it sounds pleasant enough. Good luck!

Caedryn · Unread post by **Caedryn** » Sat Apr 20, 2013 12:46 pm

Still waiting for an answer to my post above.

Unread post by **Doctor Hob** » Sat Apr 20, 2013 12:58 pm

--Caedryn,

I'm not sure I've ever been told why we bury these kinds of spell remains. To me, burying it makes it a part of the home, rather than just a thing sitting in the house. It becomes a part of a growing, organic thing, be it in your lawn, or in a potted plant.

The long and the short of it is that we bury it because that is the traditional way, and it works.

remyq · Unread post by **remyq** » Mon May 20, 2013 10:42 pm

Hello!

Here's my situation. In February, I made a relatively strong mojo bag to attract this guy I had my eye on. The problem is now, it's not all what I had hoped it would be, I'm just not into it, and he thinks he's in love with me. He did find and touch the bag the first night we were together, although I know he didn't know what it was. I'm counting on the fact that that killed it, although I'm not to sure.

I'm trying to end things, but I don't want to hurt him. I've tried talking to him, but he just wont listen to what I'm saying, and only hears what he wants to hear.

I'm wondering if there's a way to ensure the bag is dead, and then what would be the best way to dispose of it, or if possible reverse it. I wasn't sure about burying it, because I don't want to keep the bag going - I want to cancel it's effects, if possible? Or just fully dispose of it so I can move on to try some cut and clear work.

Any advice would be wonderful! Thank you!

-RQ

Unread post by **Dr Johannes** » Mon May 20, 2013 11:50 pm

Congratulations on making an effective Mojo.

I suggest you thank the bag and tell it that it´s job is done- Then cut open up the bag with the intent to kill and shatter it and its effects. Rinse all the hard parts in cold water. Then put it in the freezer and pray something like "As cold as this bag is, as cold shall NN´s love for me be" x3. Once there is a sufficient distance between the two of you, bring out the bag, burn it and shatter the ashes in running water.

Newbie · Unread post by **Newbie** » Thu May 30, 2013 6:48 pm

Hello,
One of the guys at a local place did a 7 day ritual for me to keep my girlfriend from straying towards the negative influences in her life. The first day of the ritual was a Friday and it was as perfect as expected from the ritual. The next day we got into a fight and eventually have had no contact with each other since. I am beginning to think that this gentleman may have missed something or may have not done the ritual properly. I am not sure. After the ritual he gave me a red mojo bag and a bottle of oil mixed with the different powders that he said he had used for the ritual (Commanding oil, come to me oil, powdered lodestone and several other things. He had also added her personal concerns to the ritual. I have been carrying the mojo bag as he suggested but like I said everything prior to the ritual was ok, not perfect but ok. From the second day of the ritual there was nothing left, no girlfriend, no relationship. I want to dispose off the red mojo bag from the ritual and the bottle of oil as I am beginning to think that something is not right and I need to keep this mojo bag away from me.
What are my choices, please help?

Unread post by **Mama Micki** » Fri May 31, 2013 6:52 am

Bury the mojo and oil at a crossroads, if it feels that "something is not right." Next time order from Lucky Mojo to assure that your items are put together the right way and prayed over.

magicallyleia · Unread post by **magicallyleia** » Fri May 31, 2013 1:17 pm

I made a doll baby "dollie" of a loved one who would not be open to allowing me to help them with healing. They are dealing with mental illness, and I found a bath that i wanted to use in Miss Cat's Herb and Root magic Green book. I have most of the materials for the bath, and have made the "dollie" and baptized it. Giving it a name and making it come alive and be active. Because I care for this person a lot I want to honor this doll the best I can and only give it healing a love like I would give the individual in person if they would let me reach out to them.

My main Concern is how do I correctly dispose of the dollie when the healing process is over? I want the individual to continue to be healed and live a happy life with the mental illness being controlled; thus allowing them to take the further steps after my healing work has been done so that they can continue to be happy long after i am done using the dollie?

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Fri May 31, 2013 4:54 pm

Wrap the dollie up in a clean white handkerchief and place it in a safe, quiet place. It need not be disposed of. A high closet shelf is often selected for this purpose.

Newbie · Unread post by **Newbie** » Fri May 31, 2013 6:01 pm

Mama Micki wrote:Bury the mojo and oil at a crossroads, if it feels that "something is not right." Next time order from Lucky Mojo to assure that your items are put together the right way and prayed over.

Thank you so much for your quick reply. I talked to that gentleman today he asked me to bring the mojo bag to him and said he will help me dispose it off, should I do that?

magicallyleia · Unread post by **magicallyleia** » Sat Jun 01, 2013 5:50 pm

Miss Cat,

I am sorry for having to ask this silly question but what is a "wuit" place i searched the definition and it came up with "waking up in time" is this a reference to something?

Thank you so much for your help!

Sincerely,
Leia

magicallyleia · Unread post by **magicallyleia** » Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:48 pm

Thank you miss cat the spell has show expedience in helping his recovery you are wonderful thank you so much.

thebleurose · Unread post by **thebleurose** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:15 pm

I had placed the remains from my love work inside a vase on my altar. Well, things started going really well between my target and myself. I decided it would be a good time to bury the vase in my yard to keep things as they were. I placed the vase in a brown paper bag and placed it outside to bury. Before I got the chance to bury it, my aunt scooped it up and threw it the trash and can and rolled it out to the curb. My remains were gone before I even realized it.

I tried to stay positive and pray that this would have no ill effects. Unfortunately, things have gone completely downhill since this happened.

I am just wondering what I can do to remedy this? Obviously, I cannot get the remains back.

I still have my honey jar and I am still burning candles on it, but things just are not the same.

Thanks in advance for any help and advice.

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:17 pm

thebluerose,

I have never had the experience of someone trashing my materials, and i have to say that i too would find it very shocking and disconcerting if it had happened to me.

If things are really falling apart, i would work the same spell again.

thebleurose · Unread post by **thebleurose** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:38 am

Thank you! I will do it again. I just feel that it definitely had a negative impact. It's so disappointing that I even let this happen b/c things were going so well. Now, it's like all the progress is gone, but it worked the first time so I have faith it will work again.

branden · Unread post by **branden** » Sat Aug 03, 2013 3:15 pm

One of the plants I've buried my remains has since died. Should I unearth the remains and bury it somewhere else?

Unread post by **aura** » Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:49 am

If the spell is still one whose results you want to keep close then yes, that would be a good idea branden.

MoonSunStar · Unread post by **MoonSunStar** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:47 am

Hi,
I was wondering if I could put candle wax, ritual remains from different spells in the same envelope and dispose it all together at once? I've done several simple candle love and healing spells and I''ve collected the remains of them in one envelope. Since I live at a temporary place that don't have a garden to bury it in, I need to find another way to dispose them. The appropriate way would be to throw them in a crossroad. I hope it's ok to put them all together and dispose them at the same time??? Thanks!

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:36 am

MoonSunStar,

Yours is a frequently-asked question, so i have merged your post here, and i think that if you go back through the thread and read from the beginning, you will find some answers to your questions. If you still have questions, just append them to this thread and we will be glad to reply.

MoonSunStar · Unread post by **MoonSunStar** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:28 pm

Ok so I've been reading and reading almost an hour now. I have remains from candle love spells and healing spells. I don't have a back or front yard. I live in a temporary place, a hotel. I can't have a potted plant. The best solution is to bury the remains under a tree somewhere??? Is that correct or should I throw it in a crossroad? And I have to do so early at dawn in the morning?? Please help, as far as I know or read about, I need to dispose of the remains properly for it to be effective! Can i dispose them all together in one white paper or envelope? Please answer my questions, I've asked this several times without a proper answer

Thank you so much!

Unread post by **Miss Aida** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 1:27 pm

MoonSunStar,
Dispose of them where you feel more comfortable. Crossroads or by a tree. Whichever makes you comfortable.
Personally, if I were to chose burying by trees, I would go to a park that has lots of trees. I would find 2 different trees, ask their permission, and wait to see the feelings that I get approval from trees). I would bury one work by one tree (and pay the tree) and then the other work by a different tree (and pay that tree).
That's just me.
Hope this helps.

MoonSunStar · Unread post by **MoonSunStar** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 1:32 pm

Thanks Miss Aida!
But I've collected them all in one paper

Can I bury them all together? Also, what time is appropriate?? And by "pay that tree", how do I pay the tree?? Thanks for replying. I'm going crazy and sleepless reading through posts to find answers

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Unread post by **Miss Aida** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 1:58 pm

MoonSunStar,
If you can't separate them then, I guess you have no choice.
Disposal is as soon as possible.
There's several means of payment but the easiest for me is to pay a dime per tree.

MoonSunStar · Unread post by **MoonSunStar** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 2:08 pm

Should I bury the money too or just put it by the tree? We don't use dimes here in this country so I have to put a money bill. Thanks a lot!

Unread post by **aura** » Fri Aug 16, 2013 2:10 pm

You can just put it by the tree.

foxglove701 · Unread post by **foxglove701** » Sun Aug 18, 2013 8:28 pm

I was stabbed and still have the garment. If i burn it, will that bond the person who attacked me, to me or clear the event. Also, the wound still itches. Any oils i should treat myself with.

Unread post by **Miss Aida** » Sun Aug 18, 2013 9:15 pm

Hi, Foxglove701,
Oh, My. You poor thing!
Just to make sure, I would wash that shirt first. Take it to the laundry mat and wash it in the hot cycle. During the rinse cycle, pour Lucky Mojo Chinese wash. or Florida water, etc. Then, you can burn it.
Itching is a sign of either: Healing or an infection. I would go to the Doctor and have him look at the incision and take some blood work just to make sure.
Praying for your speedy recovery. I'm so sorry that this happened to you

TrynaKnowNGrow · Unread post by **TrynaKnowNGrow** » Mon Aug 19, 2013 10:42 am

What advice would you give to someone who FORGOT to preform one crucial step in a certain spell? Ohhhh...let's say for instance, yours truly made three wishes, with three wishing beans, seven days ago and conveniently FORGOT that the seventh day, the day to throw those beans into moving water, was actually TODAY and not TOMRROW? What happens? Worse case scenario, the wishes reverse? So-so Scenario, the beans need to be disposed of (and how?) and new beans used to "re-wish" Or..best case scenario, just hold the beans in pocket for seven more days and make sure to do it right this time?? Ugh!!!

Oh, Lord...is there light for me at the end of the tunnel?

Unread post by **Colette** » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:10 pm

Tryna

I had a similar scenario once. As it turned out, the wish I was asking for wasn't exactly the thing I'd end up (i.e. should be) doing - I switched to another area in that field I'm much better suited to.

Your wish wouldn't get "reversed". I'd complete the spell and dispose it tomorrow, and let it go. I might do it again another time, if necessary.

TrynaKnowNGrow · Unread post by **TrynaKnowNGrow** » Mon Aug 19, 2013 4:18 pm

Colette wrote:Tryna

I had a similar scenario once. As it turned out, the wish I was asking for wasn't exactly the thing I'd end up (i.e. should be) doing - I switched to another area in that field I'm much better suited to.

Your wish wouldn't get "reversed". I'd complete the spell and dispose it tomorrow, and let it go. I might do it again another time, if necessary.

Phew!! Great advice, Colette. Many thanks!!

Done2 · Unread post by **Done2** » Fri Aug 23, 2013 3:10 pm

Okay, I'm reading reading and reading, but a couple of questions came up.

1) Is an overpass the same as a crossroad? I was thinking of doing the 13 day bath, and I could scoop the water up in a travel mug, and just poor it out on the yellow line as I was driving over the highway. It wouldn't hit anyone below, and anybody who saw me would just think I was throwing out cold coffee.

2) I've noticed a few of the spells call for you to bury things at a crossroad. Every crossroad I can think of is either paved or hard pack. So do you bury at one of the corners? If so, which corner?

I also have a few comments regarding what I've read in this thread.

3) I was always taught (Scottish) that any offering should be put outside, preferably under a tree and the "spirits" will take care of it.

4) For burying outside in the winter, you can warm up the dirt in the garden by using BBQ Charcoal. Hate to say it, but I learned that one when my childhood cat died.

5) If you're burying it in a plant, make sure it's a larger one. I've noticed in my reading about plants dying when you bury something under it. Well if it's a little root bound thing in a 4" pot, you add salts to that and it's going to die, most plants really hate salts. IMO it would be better to repot in a larger pot where you can put some soil in, your remains, some more soil, and then the plant.

But those are just my opinions.

Unread post by **Miss Aida** » Fri Aug 23, 2013 4:39 pm

Good Evening, Bulldogge / done,

I wouldn't throw that for a few reasons -- but that is just my way: To me, "throwing or tossing" suggest that the work is junk or that the disposal is meant to be sudden, abrupt, or possibly hard-hearted.

When I go to the crossroads, I am respectfully meeting and asking spirit to help me with this work. I am also respectfully and carefully placing my work so that it is handled the same. Think of your work as a newborn baby. You're taking good care of it and you're placing it in the hands of a terrific Nanny who will continue nurturing the baby.

However, it is traditional to throw water out of a pan to the crossroads. See the thread on disposaing of bathwater. "Throwing" means different things to different people, and is dependent on the nature of what is being thrown, poured, or buried.

And the same goes for the tree. Yes, spirit will take care of the work at the tree but, so does the tree spirit. When you bury it by the tree, you're asking the tree to take care of your "baby". And the work will grow with the tree while the tree nurtures it.

The disposal of a cleansing egg by throwing it and breaking it at the base of a tree is a form of release of the energy, a casting off of the negativity. It is not the same as the burial of a tender hope or wish

Again, the nature of the work and the nature of the items being disposed of will influence your choice of methods.

As far as which direction at the crossroads. Well, that's up to each practitioner. Some practitioners go with the direction associated with the type of work. Others just go with East. So, that's up to you.

Thank you for reminding us about the charcoal! Always good to see something very useful every now and then!

As far as the potted plant goes, well, you make perfect sense.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us!

Done2 · Unread post by **Done2** » Sat Aug 24, 2013 10:38 am

Miss Aida,

Ahh..... so no quick driveby's. So, if I have to drive to a crossroad (I want to spread it in a certain direction). I should turn the car towards home, walk back and then pour, and then walk towards the car without looking back?

The city I live in seems to absolutely love offset intersections, so crossroads are a bit more difficult to find than in most cities.

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Sat Aug 24, 2013 11:17 am

Buldogge / done --

1) Is an overpass the same as a crossroad? That's a good question. I have seen it used as such for cast-off or thrown-away disposals, such as a Hot Foot spell disposal. I participated in one of these many years ago. The idea was to drive the freeway south out of Oakland toward Hayward, tossing bits at every junction overpass and at "the maze" -- a large structure of freeway interchanges. This "drive-by" disposal was not be used for a simple disposal of cleansing bath water. It was an angry disposal, performed in stages, literally to drive someone out of town.

Here is a picture of a section of the Oakland Maze:

2) Some folks use the corners of a crossroads. Many just place the item(s) at the center. A roundabout is a crossroads with a center. A railroad crossing a road is also a crossroads.

Here is a picture of a traffic roundabout:

3) Scottish teachings have certainly influenced African American hoodoo, there is no doubt. African methods are also important. Many Black Americans are part Scots-Irish and this indicates contact and cultural transmission as well as genetic mingling.

4) The use of ways to warm the dirt are cultural transmissions of interest. Thanks for sharing. In the US South, such ways of working are not transmitted because the ground rarely freezes solid.

5) I teach folks to transplant the plant into the larger pot, with the item for burial undernath the root ball. I do not teach people to try to bury something under an already potted plant.

For a set of general traditional guidelines regarding disposal of ritual remains of all kinds, please see my "Hoodoo in Theory and Practice" web page "Laying Down Tricks and Disposing of Ritual Remains" from my free online book "Hoodoo in Theory and Practice:

Laying Tricks and Disposing of Ritual Remains in the Hoodoo Tradition
http://luckymojo.com/layingtricks.html

In addition, these are the forum threads that deal with ritual disposals:

Disposal of Ritual Remains Questions and Answers
disposal-of-ritual-remains-questions-an ... 10676.html

Disposing of Bath Water and Floor Wash Remains
disposing-of-bath-water-and-floor-wash- ... ml#p120548

Using Leftover Incense Ash in Rootwork
using-leftover-incense-ash-in-rootwork-t24073.html

Good luck!

crzblu3y3z · Unread post by **crzblu3y3z** » Sat Aug 24, 2013 11:36 am

Is it necessary to bury the jar from the 7 day candles one its finished burning?
I know that most work when finished you bury the remains or your work.
The 7 day candles jars are quite large and a little hard to bury if you live in a city or in an apartment complex.
Suggestions?
Or is it ok to keep the jar or throw it away without "disrespecting" the practice? (for lack of better words)
Thanks.

Unread post by **MissMichaele** » Sat Aug 24, 2013 1:56 pm

crzblu3y3z,

Recycle the glass!! There, that was easy, wasn't it?

BTW, burial isn't the only proper or respectful way to dispose of candle remains. Check this out:

For a set of general traditional guidelines regarding disposal of ritual remains of all kinds, please see my "Hoodoo in Theory and Practice" web page "Laying Down Tricks and Disposing of Ritual Remains" from my free online book "Hoodoo in Theory and Practice:

Laying Tricks and Disposing of Ritual Remains in the Hoodoo Tradition
http://luckymojo.com/layingtricks.html

In addition, these are the forum threads that deal with ritual disposals:

Disposal of Ritual Remains Questions and Answers
disposal-of-ritual-remains-questions-an ... 10676.html

Disposing of Bath Water and Floor Wash Remains
disposing-of-bath-water-and-floor-wash- ... ml#p120548

Using Leftover Incense Ash in Rootwork
using-leftover-incense-ash-in-rootwork-t24073.html

Good luck,

Miss Michaele

crzblu3y3z · Unread post by **crzblu3y3z** » Sat Aug 24, 2013 2:16 pm

What do I do with the petition (the little piece of paper under the candle) I can bury that, if that is what is called for. (b/c its small)

and what about the "steady work" 7 day, it calls for a dollar bill to be placed under with the petition. Once the candle is burned do i keep the dollar, bury it with the petition, spend it? ... I dont know.

Thanks.

Unread post by **Mary Bee** » Sat Aug 24, 2013 6:10 pm

Bulldogge / done.

Just as another opinion: I've done drive by disposals at crossroads for water and I've had good results. Not everyone works that way, but it worked for me.

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crzblu3y3z,

I would put the petition into a mojo bag or packet and keep it safe, or carry it on you if you want to. The dollar bill, do the same thing. Lots of people carry petitions with them in mojo bags, or dollars as well.

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:16 am

Over at my personal Facebook page, a reader of this forum asked me a question via personal message. I do not reply to questions via the Facebook personal messaging system, but i do reply in this forum, so, out of consideration for the person's privacy, i will strip the sender-name off and post the query here, with my reply, for all to see:

THE QUESTION:

I was wondering if I could ask you something about a box of spiritual supplies, donated to a close friend some years ago, that has been sealed up in his garage for some 5 years.

The original owner died in a car accident.

Yesterday we opened the box. NOT a good idea. We found an assortment of very sticky, bad-vibed items. I am thinking he was into dark magic from what I found, and it made 2 of the 4 of us VERY uncomfortable. To the point of "cleansing bath" uncomfortable.

What made it so odd and uncomfortable, is that there was a large lock, or should I say section, of hair in the box, and it could have been his, or his girlfriends, or both strung together. I think he as into very dark magic, and it backfired on him.

We feel like we are sitting on a time bomb, or a Pandora's Box, so to speak. My friend has kept the box to respect the passed-on man, but at this point, I am wondering if keeping it sealed in a garage is not more disrespectful than just burying it.

We are wondering if we should salvage anything. There are some books in there that are rare and worthy, possibly. Or, how should we dispose of the box????

Any help would be appreciated. You are one of the few people I feel can help. And I also would say, in this case, you are definitely the one to ask. I know how much you know about stuff like this. Any advice?

MY REPLY:

Your question is not clear. You have several choices and have not yet selected one.

Disposal with "respect": If your intent is to show "respect" to the person or to his magical tradition, you may do so by merely returning the items to him, and the normal way would be to bury the box and its entire contents (with nothing removed from it) in the grave of the deceased man.

Disposal for the sake of destroying black magic: Burning suspect negative magical goods and ritual components is the norm for disposal and destruction, and is considered more effective than burial, and, when the owner is deceased, burning in a fire of Florida Water Cologne is good.

Disposal for profit: You mentioned the potential value of the books. If you wish to save the books or any other objects from destruction in order to keep them or to offer them for resale, you may smoke them with Jinx Killer incense. Pendulum-dowse them afterwards to see if they feel "clean" to you then.

Good luck!

Elopez7806 · Unread post by **Elopez7806** » Mon Aug 26, 2013 3:12 pm

I bought a mojo bag for my hubby. The mojo bag was for steady work. He doesn't carry it with him anymore and he doesn't put any energy towards it. I just get upset when I see it laying around. How can we dispose of it? Can we just throw it out or is there a special way to get rid of a mojo bag? Thanks

Unread post by **Miss Aida** » Mon Aug 26, 2013 3:31 pm

Hi, Elopez 7806,
I would respectfully thank the bag (and it's content....spirits of the herbs, etc) for everything it has done for your husband. Then, I would tell it that I want to bury it in my front yard.
It might still have drawing power. So, do so.
Don't ever "throw" a mojo hand away like it is garbage. You might want to take a look at the "Disposal" thread on this forum to get ideas in the future.
Also, it he doesn't have a job, I would buy the Steady Work kit that Lucky Mojo sells and it is inclusive of a mojo hand (in addition to other good workings). It is the entire spell kit.
I will be moving this topic to the appropriate thread
Good luck to you!

LoveisLove · Unread post by **LoveisLove** » Thu Sep 05, 2013 6:55 pm

I am curious about the wax in the glass vigil candles as it burns.
Do I pour it out as it burns, wait till it's done burning for the day, or wait till the end of the candle (if it gets that far)
Also,
I know I should save the wax (it's for a reconciliation) and bury it in the yard. I am in a temporary living situation for the next few months (long story), do I bury it there anyway or wait till I acquire my own place?