Disposal of Ritual Remains Questions and Answers

[catherineyronwode]

LoveIsLove,

You seem to be confusing glass-encased vigil candles with free standing candles.

1) Do not pour wax out of a vigil candle. It should naturally consume all the way down to the bottom and all the wax (or most of it) will be consumed).

2) The concept of "saved" wax comes from burning free standing candles that leave behind a puddle of melted and re-hardened wax.

3) Folks who burn free-standing candles bury the wax in the back yard where they live -- BUT you ain't burying any wax, because you are burning a VIGIL candle.

I recommend that before you make a lot of mistakes, trying to read about this stuff on the internet, you buy a copy of my simple, basic book, "The Art of Hoodoo Candle Magic. It explains every type of candle and how we work with them.

Good luck!

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SPIRITUAL CANDLE MAGIC FOR THE HOME PRACTITIONER: catherine yronwode

A Brief History of Candle Magic in America 5
Assembling Your Tools 9
Choosing Your Lights: Lamps, Offertories, Jumbos, Figurals, Votives, Vigils 10
Altar Layouts for Lamp and Candle Spells 22
Timing Your Work by the Moon and by the Days of the Week 27
Selecting Your Candles by Colour 28
Basic Ritual Procedures: Inscribing, Dressing, Prayers, Petitions, Disposal 28
Candle Spells for All Occasions 35
A White Candle Love Spell to Attract New Love 35
Lodestones and Red Candle to Attract New Love 36
Commanding Respect at a Meeting With Superiors 37
A Fixed Money Lamp to Bring in Wealth 37
Reconciliation Ritual for Estranged Friends 38
A Skull Candle to Influence Their Thoughts 38
3-Candle Spell for Love, Romance, and Passion 39
Green Candle Job-Getting or Wage Increase Spell 41
Crown of Success Candle Spell for a Performer 41
Blessing for a Family About to Have a New Baby 42
A Mother’s Guiding Light for Her Children 42
Tying a Man’s (or Woman’s) Nature 43
Hoodooing a Man’s (or Woman’s) Nature 44
Green Devil Money Back Spell 45
Keep Your Mate and Break Up an Outside Love Affair 47
Fiery Wall of Protection Spell 48
A Sugar or Honey Jar to Sweeten People to You 49
How to Read Divination Signs from Candle-Burning 50
Divination Techniques: Pyromancy, Ceromancy, Capnomancy, Cero-Capnomancy 50
Learning How to Read Candles 53
Signs Observed While the Candle is Burning 54
Signs Left in the Residue from a Burned-Out Candle 61
Signs Left In or On the Candle Holder 62

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Private Candle Services 71
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Important Notice and Prelude to the Current Edition 80
The Basic Candle Light Service 81
Message Bearing Candle Service for Spiritualist Churches 84
The Colour Candle Service in Spiritualist Churches 89
A Candle Light Service to Embrace Goodwill and Forgiveness 95
Postlude 96

[Devi Spring]

For spells that require burying, as long as they are drawing spells (which since you're posting title refers to love spells I'll assume they are), you can generally bury them in potted plants. That way when you move, you can easily take them with you!

If you're stumped as to whether a potted plant is an ok option for a given spell, just contact a professional rootwork for their guidance.

[sky4343]

Hi, I did a spell that required me to bury the remains on the target's property which I easily have access to so thats not the problem, but i had a really hard time digging a hole deep enough the soil was so hard. I guess the hand held sovel I had just wasnt enough. Has anybody else had this problem? Is there another tool someone could reccomend that would make it easier to dig a hole? I chose the small shovel because it would not draw too much attention if people saw me walking with it.

[Miss Aida]

Good Afternoon, Sky4343,
When the ground is hard I will pour hot water over it first. I usually use those watering containers for plants and flowers that have the holes at the spout.
It will soften the upper layer of the ground. Dig a little bit until it's hard again, then pour some more hot water, etc. Do this until you attain the desired depth for burial
Hope this helps.
Have a great evening

[markx]

I'm about to do a LM come to me candle and I really can't bury it at home as It's not my house and I can't do in a plant cause the glass is too big, are there any other options? what about under my bed?

[Mama Rue]

I have done love work while staying with others before, and I buried the remains in their front yard under a bush, very discretely. I had great success with that work, too.

[BrotherChristopher]

I believe you talking about a glass encased vigil candle. You don't need to bury the glass, or vigil candles. Just read the burn for signs, and dispose of it safely. You might recycle the glass if it is a very clean burn. The only thing you might have to bury would be the petition paper, if you wrote one out, and any other items that you might have used. You could also collect any left over items, wrap them in the petition to make a paper packet, and then put that into a red flannel bag to carry with you until the purpose of the candle is achieved.

[Mama Rue]

Brthrchristopher is right about the glass, I do apologize for overlooking that pertinent part of your post. Chalk it up to "post haste". Anyway, good luck with your work!

[Miss Aida]

Hello, Markx,
I agree with brthchristopher,
And I am a cheapskate: I will pour boiling water on the residual at the bottom and then dispose of whatever there is in Hoodoo Style.
Then, I clean the inside with either Florida water www.luckymojo.com/floridakanangawater.html
Or salt water..
Then, I put them away.
Later, I have something available when there's an emergency spell that I need to do. If I don't want the same label, I take that off and clean the outside the same way as I did the inside.
Take care!!!

[Luckbewithme876]

If one were doing a coercive love spell, and not simply a spell to cause a cheating lover to return, would that be considered negative magic? If one personally considers it bad work, would that make it so that you should dispose of it at a tree or crossroads rather than one's front yard?

[Miss Aida]

Hello, Luckbewithme,876,
I personally don't consider that negative love work.
I've done coercive love spells to bring somebody to be and buried in my front yard. They came back and nothing bad happened to me!
If you feel any type of inkling to bathe yourself, here's the link to Hyssop www.herb-magic.com/hyssop.html
And here the link to the Psalm that you ay when bathing with hyssop http://readersandrootworkers.org/wiki/Psalms_51
(I lovingly call it: "The Hyssop Psalm"
Anyway, if you're still uncomfortable, dispose of it by alternative means (as you had mentioned)
Hope this helps.
Take Care and have a great evening

[branden]

I have a question what would be the end result of me holding on to ritual remains which I have no intention of ever working? I know this sounds silly but I hold on to some things. I have articles of clothes at various stages in my life. I can remember where I was when I wore so and so. I don't have that many clothes. Lol I feel like there's no energy going into the picture box and honeyjar surely nothing more will ever happen? I've stopped working the two long before my previous update post and I don't feel compel to do anymore work whatsoever.

[aura]

Hi Branden,

You can keep them as mementos should you so desire and unworked they will hold the form and memory of your intention at that time.

That said, it may also indicate that there is part of that work/person/mind-set that you aren't letting go of which may or may not be limiting you to some extent: not saying that's the case, but am saying that you might want to consider that possibility as well.

[Miss Phoenix]

Hi branden, I want to second what aura has said. There really isn't any "harm" in not disposing of the ritual items that you don't want to work anymore, but it suggests that you are holding on in some way to this working. My personal beliefs around magic make me feel compelled to keep clean lines. Too many undisposed of items makes me feel magically messy. Once I am done with a working I feel it is important to dispose of those remains as soon as possible in order to let go of those energies and not keep me tied to the working in any way. In fact, every full moon I have a ritual process where I dispose of candle wax (or whatever else) from the months' work.

Best of luck!

[sky4343]

I did the Compell a liar to confess spell and it says to leave the remains at a crossroads. Do i bury it there or just throw it there and walk away?

[Miss Aida]

Hello, sky4343,
Here are a couple of pages for you to read. The first one tells about disposal at a crossroad.
http://luckymojo.com/crossroads.html
The second page is what forum members have talked about
search.php
After reading everything and you still have questions, don't hesitate to ask.
Wishing you the very best and hope this liar confesses everything.
Take care

[Mariel]

Hello everybody,

I am planing to do a break-up & reconciliation spell to get my husband back (he has left our family for another woman). From what I have read, I need to bury the remains of his and my candles in my yard once the spell is complete. I am moving cross country in 10 weeks and will be settled in my new home about 3 months from now. Should I wait to do the spell until after I move or can I do it now and bury the remains in the yard where I live now?

Thanks,
~Melissa

[aura]

Hi melissa,

If you have a potted plant you will be moving with you cross-country, do the spell immediately and bury it in the plant. Thus the remains will follow you. If you want, you could even get yourself a maidenhair fern which is specific for love matters for the cause

I've also merged your post into the thread on disposal of ritual remains, reading through you'll find lots of advice including some cases similar to yours - it can provide you with ideas on how to proceed.

Blessings and Success.

[jwmcclin]

Great recommendation Aura. melissa, post a prayer at the Crystal Silence League for your target's return and good luck.

[branden]

Hi Branden,

You can keep them as mementos should you so desire and unworked they will hold the form and memory of your intention at that time.

That said, it may also indicate that there is part of that work/person/mind-set that you aren't letting go of which may or may not be limiting you to some extent: not saying that's the case, but am saying that you might want to consider that possibility as well.

I get what you're saying since walking away from the spell-work. I haven't handled any of the items. I couldn't tell you if I had any movements with the picture box and honeyjar. I know if someone happen upon my picture box it would be weird. The thing is I'm not holding unto the items hoping that my ex target would somehow show up at my door. I know I should probably dispose of these items.

[aura]

It's up to you when and how you do that branden and finality/ending is never easy. You might want to make the disposal the last part of a Cut and Clear spell when you are ready to let them go.

Blessings.

[boadiccearose]

I did a reversal spell with the free standing black over red candle. If I screw up disposal of the candle etc.... does this screw up the whole thing?

The reversal spell I used indicates to do the following after completing the spell.

"Then, when you are done with the candle, get a hammer and pick up the mirror, with all the left-over crab shell powder and wax on it, and take it to a crossroads at night. Place it in the middle of the crossroads upside down (with the reverse-written name up) and call 7 years bad luck onto the person and smash the mirror with the hammer. Walk away and don't look back."

I did everything just fine until I had to go to the crossroads to "dispose" of it. I was in a hurry because cars were coming. So, I didn't realize until I was driving away that the mirror with the name was not face down. In other words.... the mirror was under the wax but facing upward instead of downward.

Is this going to change the results? Did this backlash onto me? Or is it going to work the way it should?

This is extremely important because I did the reversal to send back all the evil my ex and his girlfriend are still sending towards me for the past 13 years.

[Miss Aida]

Hello, Boadiccearose,
Did you smash the mirror?

[boadiccearose]

Yes, I cursed my ex with 7 years bad luck and smashed the mirror as it indicated in the information for the spell.

[Miss Aida]

Hello, Boadiccearose,
I'm not too concerned if the mirror has been smashed to pieces because those tiny pieces will turn in all directions automatically.
However, if the pieces are not tiny and are large, you may want to consider this:
My advice to you is if you sense any type of negativity which seems to be a result of this spell, do a spiritual cleansing and start the ritual over again.
Bathe for 13 days with this: www.herb-magic.com/13herb-bath-13.html Along with prayers and uncrossing candles
In the meantime, protect yourself with Fiery wall of Protection www.luckymojo.com/fierywall.html
Take care

[boadiccearose]

Thank you very very much, Miss Aida!
The mirror I used was small and I recall that there were very small pieces of mirror after I smashed it.
I have kind of a fusion memory aka "flash" memory. So, I can visualize what I saw like accessing a file in a metal cabinet. I think about the action and "see" everything attached to the memory. Problem is it doesn't always work right..... stress interferes with it. But I distinctly remember the mirror being face up instead of face down. I remember seeing the small fragments of the silver of the mirror.

Yeah, I thought I'd have to do the spell all over.

My ex and his gf are so negative and malicious......
He is trying to have me pay him child support claiming that I am deliberately underemployed.
He took a cut in pay after I filed for divorce in 2001. By Jan. 2002 he was making $2 less per hour.
I am a disabled veteran with 60% service connection. I haven't had an interview in 3 years.

I wear firey wall of protection oil almost every day.
I bathed with hyssop and did the 51st Psalms when I got home.
I haven't sensed negativity. It's been more is a weird calm.
Like just before a storm???

My white tea candles and white taper candles are missing from where I store them though.
I always keep some on hand. I have no idea when they disappeared, but I used them a couple of months ago.

Thanks for the information.
I really appreciate it.

[Miss Aida]

Good Evening Boadiccearose,
PLESAE don't worry if it's the calm before the storm. That type of worrying will cause you to bring yourself negativity.
Think positive and ENJOY it !!!
Please keep us posted.
Wishing you the very best

[boadiccearose]

Oh, I am enjoying the calm!
I'm just not used to it. I've dealt with their evil for more then a decade.
It's sort of like going to a rock concert and your ears still ring afterwards.
I will do the reverse agan and keep you posted afterwards.
Thanks......

Is there another way to.properly dispose of the mirror? Smashing it I the middle of a crossroads is too dangereous.

[aura]

Hi boadiccearose,

You could bury the remains of the smashed mirror in a graveyard.

[boadiccearose]

Thank you....
There are a few graveyards not far from my home. One is a Civil War era graveyard.

That's much easier than trying to get into the middle of a crossroads, smash a mirror, and get safely to the side without being seen or hit by a car.

[catherineyronwode]

boadiccearose --

For a lengthy lesson on how to dispose of ritual remains under a number of circumstances and for varied intentions, lease see this free "Hoodoo in Theory an Practice web page:

Laying Tricks and Disposing of Ritual Remains in the Hoodoo Tradition
http://luckymojo.comlayingtricks.html

[boadiccearose]

Thank you Catherine.
The desposal part has been a problem for me. My yard isn't very large and I have mosey neighbors.
Desposal in graveyards seems a bit easier to me.
I will definatly my check out that web page.

[jwmcclin]

boadiccearose, its amazing the type of things people do right under our noses. Nosey people included.

[boadiccearose]

I know, Right?!

I did a reverse spell with black / green candle I got from ebay. The seller is in Portland I think.
I did it on Saturday. I still disposed of it in a crossroads. It was easier this time. No one came through the intersection.
How long does a money reversal take to work?

[aura]

Hi boadiccearose,

There are no hard and fast rules on how long a spell takes to manifest, nor on if it will manifest at all. You can go through the following thread for some guidelines and insight (as well as to ask questions on the subject): signs-movement-completion-of-spells-que ... 99884fa1d2

[luckykat]

So, I buried the remains from some love work in a potted plant (I rent) but I probably should have chosen something heartier...it isn't doing well. I believe in this instance, it's been my poor plant skills rather than a message about the work itself. Would anyone more experienced recommend replanting in something else, or should I just consider this particular work done and begin again? Thanks so much!

[natstein]

Hi Luckykat,

You could just plant a new hardier plant over top of it.

Peace~

Nathen

[luckykat]

Thank you!

[siarrocco]

What do you do with the candle after burning it? How do you discard it? Is there a specific method as to what you are supposed to with them and does it apply to all candles that you work with or only some spells, vigils, etc?

Thanks,
Sue

[MissMichaele]

Here you go, starocco:

• Laying Down Tricks and Disposing of Ritual Remnants in the Hoodoo Tradition http://www.luckymojo.com/layingtricks.html

The different methods are chosen more by the reason for doing the work than by the kind of materials used.

Good luck,

Miss Michaele

[Miss Rose]

I was fired after 23 years at the job.
I had done work on the boss and coworkers to sweeten them and freeze them: a honey jar for the department director and supervisor, freezer containers for them, a candle with sugar on a plate for everyone in the organization, and a sugar bowl for coworkers in the office.
Recommendations on what to do with the spell work? The director of this department is an extremely vengeful, bullying, self righteous person,
and I am afraid that they are going to block my getting unemployment, and bad mouth me to every one in our rather small profession so that I will not be able to get a new position. Do I just keep the containers intact or discard them? Options and recommendations for next steps to take?
My work was supposedly fine; I was fired for being "rude". I'm not good at playing the games people were playing at that job and in my profession. I was stupid for not doing so. Miss Cat and Nagasiva, you've met me at the Bay Area Tarot Symposium (I brought brownies), and I hope that you can sense that I'm not a complete asocial monster.
Any suggestions would be welcome!

[Miss Aida]

Hello, Miss Rose,
I am so very sorry that this happened to you. Please accept my sincere prayers for you.
Here is a list of what can happen with spells (why they can and can't work): www.luckymojo.com/spells/real.html
At this point, my suggestion would be to consult a root worker. Have them perform some spells for you (since your own spells did not work. Something not right with that. Sounds like you need someone with profound experience) and ask them if you ought to dispose of your work.
PLEASE go to http://readersandrootowkers.org
Again, I'm so sorry. But, remember, sometimes things happen for a reason. A reading might tell you why.
Take care of yourself and we are here for you

[Miss Rose]

Thanks, Miss Aida!

[MoonSunStar]

Hi!
I can't seem to find info on how to dispose tealights on honey jars. How should I dispose them everytime? I live in a temporary place with no garden to be able to bury it in. Please help!! Thank you!

[MissMichaele]

MoonSunStar, if there is any wax left over, you can take it to the crossroads since you don't have a place to bury it. If there's no wax, just recycle the little aluminum container.

Miss Michaele

[jwmcclin]

I agree with Miss Michaele

[MoonSunStar]

Should I wrap it in paper bag or it's ok to throw it at a crossroad without paper bag? Thanks!

[Miss Aida]

Hello, MoonSunStar,
Here is a link to the disposal methods: www.luckymojo.com/laying tricks.html
Hope this helps
Take care

[MoonSunStar]

Can petition papers and photos be reused?
If I need to dispose them, can I rip them off first before throwing them over my shoulder at a crossroad (can't bury them since I live at a temporary place with no garden). Can i rip the petitiona in pieces? Wouldn't want some stranger passing by the crossroad to pick up the petition paper and photos and read it.
Thanks for replying!

[aura]

If you're doing multiple burns (candles) for the same reason then yes, by all means, re-use your petitions and photos. If it's been in a honey jar - well - it isn't so practical to do so. They can also be burnt in the dying flame from your candle and then disposed of with the left over wax, it's an old-school way to work.

I wouldn't tear apart the petition or photo however: think about it, is that the effect you want on the person and your petition? Having them ripped end from end? If you can't use a cross-roads, then also consider burying the remains at the foot of an old tree.

[ConjuringCat]

Is it okay to dispose of multiple spells at one crossroad? I'm doing a cleansing bath and an egg spell to remove excess weight.

[Miss Aida]

Hello, ConjuringCat ,
If it's multiple spells for the same purpose, yes, you can dispose at one crossroad.
If they are spells for different purposes, I would find a different crossroad for each.
Now, this is just me and what I would do.
Sounds like a good spell!
Wishing you the best

[LaadyLoove]

Hey there everyone! I made a reconciliation Honey Jar about 2 weeks ago. And very slightly lifted the pen while writing the petition! So I decided to make another jar. I've read many suggestions on this Forum. Someone said that the contents in the jar can be burned & to say a prayer when doing this, to take away the power & influence from each component. And scatter the ashes at a crossroads.

So, I suppose I can do that with the herbs & photo/petition paper. But what about the honey & glass jar? I could recycle the jar, but I wouldn't use the honey cause it has herbs & curious in it. Could someone please tell me if all of the above is ok, & what can I do with the jar & honey.
THANKS

[ConjuringCat]

Has anyone thought of using water balloons to dispose of bath water? Its just a thought i had while i was shopping, I live in an area that has many crossroads but is also high traffic even at the wee hours of the morning. I think people would be less likely to question why a college kid is out throwing water balloons at dawn than why i'm out at sunrise with a basin of water.

[Miss Aida]

Hello, LaadyLoove ,
Have you looked at this page? www.luckymojo.com/layingtricks.html
It tells about disposal.
Yes, you can recycle the jar.
But why not just add another petition paper to it instead? Leave the other one in there and put a new one in. That would still work.
Take care

Hey there everyone! I made a reconciliation Honey Jar about 2 weeks ago. And very slightly lifted the pen while writing the petition! So I decided to make another jar. I've read many suggestions on this Forum. Someone said that the contents in the jar can be burned & to say a prayer when doing this, to take away the power & influence from each component. And scatter the ashes at a crossroads.

So, I suppose I can do that with the herbs & photo/petition paper. But what about the honey & glass jar? I could recycle the jar, but I wouldn't use the honey cause it has herbs & curious in it. Could someone please tell me if all of the above is ok, & what can I do with the jar & honey.
THANKS

[Miss Aida]

Hello, ConjuringCat ,
That won't work unless you plan to dispose of the water over your shoulder (not throw a balloon over it).
If you're going to empty the balloon over your shoulder, you're sure to get that water on you.
Sorry!
Take care

Has anyone thought of using water balloons to dispose of bath water? Its just a thought i had while i was shopping, I live in an area that has many crossroads but is also high traffic even at the wee hours of the morning. I think people would be less likely to question why a college kid is out throwing water balloons at dawn than why i'm out at sunrise with a basin of water.

[mohawk007]

Should you bury printed pictures or burn them? What if the work is done but the spell is still in effect?

[Miss Aida]

Hello, mohawk007,
Personally, I would bury them. The spell will still be in effect. Burial is called: "Deploying" your spell. It also activates the spell's continuance.
Take care

[LaadyLoove]

Thank you SO much for your reply, Miss Aida! Yes, I had checked that link before...thanks!
I think I'm going to make a new petition paper & put it in the jar, like you suggested. I'm glad to hear that my spell can still work after doing that.
Thank you,again! Have A Great Day.

[redstarr]

Hello everyone! I am new in these parts and seeking advice/ideas on how to proceed with a honey jar spell which was interrupted due to unfortunate circumstances. I apologize if this is a strange or wordy request, but I am at a loss on how to proceed.

I began a honey jar spell on 5/5/14, and although I wasn't able to include hair or any personal effects from the targeted individual (I included a photo of him), I found that it began working immediately and impressively, albeit slowly, overall – which I rather enjoy. One week ago; however, I was forced to move from my apartment abruptly due to an unsafe situation. I am now “couch surfing” with friends until I find regular housing for myself again. Because of this, I have no privacy whatsoever and had to discontinue my regularly scheduled candle-burning three nights per week. Additionally, the jar, even after being carefully packaged and transported, is now leaking ever so slightly. All progress with the man this was intended for seems to have come to an abrupt halt.

I have wracked my brain for ideas on how to proceed, and have picked my friends’ brains on the matter and come up with nothing. I was having such lovely results; I hate to just leave off entirely while I’m house hunting. My questions, specifically, are:

• Does the interruption of my honey jar spell preclude another love spell working on the same individual? That is, is it a one-shot deal? You flub the first attempt and it’s over?
• Is there another type of love spell which others have had great success with, and which would be a little more discrete than burning candles thrice weekly in my friend’s living room?
• Has anyone ever constructed a new honey jar for the same individual after the first was abandoned or damaged? Is this inadvisable for any reason? And can a honey jar spell be modified, in any way you can think, to be more discrete? Part - but not all - of the issue is the offertory candles taking 6 – 7 hours to burn.

Thanks for your time, and any input or ideas, and I’m sorry if these seem like silly questions. Like I said, I’m a bit new to this, and my current circumstances were unexpected.