Ethics and Moral Justifications for Spell Work

Unread post by **Joseph Magnuson** » Sun Aug 21, 2011 12:25 pm

Well stated, Johannes.

JadedKarma: I wish you the best, but as your own chosen name has stated your feelings, I hope you can find peace.

-Joseph Magnuson

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Sun Aug 21, 2011 4:56 pm

JadedKarma -- your views on karma aside (and, no, i do not believe as you do), you did ask a legitimate question:

"Can you undo a reversal or return to sender spell?"

Yes, you can. One way is to burn all of the remains of the spell you cast. If they were buried, dig them up first.

Another way is to wash them away in water.

Do not ask for specific spells in this thread. If you need spell help, please ask in an appropriate portion of the board. I have merely attempted to reply to your question about whether reversing a reversal spell is possible.

DestinyAndFate1 · Unread post by **DestinyAndFate1** » Sat Oct 22, 2011 6:29 pm

So I have a question or my beliefs, I don't think any one should force someone to like/love you, as I see a lot of posts about people trying to make people love them I don't think its right, now I do believe in to increase if your already in a relationship to do some work, just to keep things up above waters, but what does everyone else think do you think its morally wrong to make someone love you?

jenelle21 · Unread post by **jenelle21** » Sat Oct 22, 2011 8:08 pm

I'm not sure that you can force someone to Love you or like you. I believe that if the person or persons that you are working on have feelings towards you in a favorable manner then your work will show positive movement. That being the case their spirit can also be reluctant and strong willed to do the opposite of which you desire, no matter how many angles you try.

Some conjure work may be stronger in the sense that it will help to weaken the resistance and bend the person's will to your own, but is that the whole hearted and honest love that most us of seek and cherish?

i think that some people may just be hurting from the loss of a loved one, or a once loving relationship, and before you can move on (if need be) you need to seek closure, and that driving force may have you try everything within your power to rekindle that love. this way you won't be wondering..what if ?? so I myself am not sure if it is "morally" wrong to try and pursue what you may believe is the right path or choice for you at the present time romantically. I just think we all wear many shoes in life and have different stories to tell. You just never know how you'll feel about something until your in their place. But god willing our prayers will always be answered and justified.

Unread post by **Mama Micki** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 10:13 am

If you think something is morally wrong, don't do it. Some think it's wrong to pray for money or gambling luck too.

There is nothing wrong with doing work to attract a particular person. If you are interested in someone, don't you dress and act a certain way when you are around them? Don't you wear nice clothes, fix your hair, wear perfume, etc? So instead of perfume, wear some Follow Me Boy, Attraction, or Bewitching oil when you see him.

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 10:18 am

Mama Micki, you said that very well, in my opinion!

DestinyAndFate1 · Unread post by **DestinyAndFate1** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 2:59 pm

Thanks everyone I was just wondering it has nothing to do with me, because I'm in a great relationship right now, I was just wondering what all your thoughts were on it.

mojo69 · Unread post by **mojo69** » Sat Nov 12, 2011 3:24 pm

I'm not sure if this is the correct place to post this, but I thought I would give it a go. I am studying the rootwork course and have done some small things for myself using hoodoo. My problem is that my wife is 100% against me doing anything like this. We have had other problems in the marriage but she says if I continue to hoodoo she will leave. It's crazy. I can't light candles or set up altars because she thinks it's against God. Does anyone have any suggestions how I can get her to start understanding what I'm wanting to do. Forget about logic. I've tried and that doesn't work. Any help would be appreciated. I prefer something sneaky I can work without her knowledge.

Thanks,

Mojo-Max69

Unread post by **Joseph Magnuson** » Sun Nov 13, 2011 2:51 pm

If you are a member of the Course always remember that you can ask your fellow course-mates questions at the class Yahoo Group. There may be other students with problems such as yours who would love to help you out.

Unread post by **MissMichaele** » Sun Nov 13, 2011 5:58 pm

I spent many years in a religion which was just as conservative about magic. On issues like this, using logic is "the wisdom of is world," opposed to "the wisdom of God," and there's no getting around that. You probably won't get her permission, but you might be able to manage her opposition:

Be the best Golden Rule husband you can be; meanwhile,
Feed her your sexual fluids and/or bathwater; tie one of her (unwashed) socks to one of your (unwashed) socks and put them under the mattress; use formulas such as Stay With Me, Love Me, etc., to make the prospect of leaving you unbearable. You can also use the bathwater in her grooming supplies, the family laundry supplies, and the cleaning supplies.
Most rootworkers have historically been Christians; ask Jesus to help you resolve this situation in your favor.
Also add poppy flowers when bathing; they have the confusing, forgetful nature of poppy seeds, but their floral nature makes them useful for love work.
Start a honey jar on her. Privacy will be a problem for you, so the classic honey-jar-with-a-candle-on-top isn't an option. You can use a small jar of sugar, fixed just like a honey jar, which you can keep hidden. You shake it while praying instead of burning candles on it.

Hope this helps,

Miss Michaele

mojo69 · Unread post by **mojo69** » Sun Nov 13, 2011 6:13 pm

Thanks so much for the help. I started the course many years ago and ended up abandoning it due to my wife. I keep coming back, so I know it's what I am meant to do. I still do things here and there that look Christian in her eyes, but most things end up impossible for me. I appreciate your help.

mojo69

Unread post by **Mama Micki** » Sun Nov 13, 2011 10:34 pm

Burning vigil candles dedicated to Jesus, Mary, saints and angels may be an acceptable way of working in her eyes. You can also employ sneaky tricks such as laying powders and oils and carrying a mojo bag.

Unread post by **Madame Pamita** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:14 am

What about a "fern plant with an apple in the soil" in lieu of the honey jar spell? It can just be a fern plant, as far as she knows.

mojo69 · Unread post by **mojo69** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:13 pm

Thanks Mama Micki. I have done some burning of candles using saints and this seems to be ok. I sneak a petition written under the candle and pray. I will be expanding to powders and mojo bags soon. Thanks again.

Madame Pamita. Any more info on the fern apple "honey jar". Anything I need to say or do to make it work better? Thanks so much.

Mojo69 -

Unread post by **Madame Pamita** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:47 am

It's in miss cat's book Hoodoo Herb and Root Magic or you can read about it here:

my-parents-romance-&-communication-t4830.html#p26832

It's a totally discreet sneaky trick! A sweet one!

autumnalflower · Unread post by **autumnalflower** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 11:00 am

What about putting a petition of something of easing her mind or how ever you would want to word it in her shoes, like maybe in between the sole insert and base of shoe if she has a pair of sneakers?

YouTube · Unread post by **Miss Bri** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:07 pm

You got some great advice already. What I can add is...Jesus, Jesus, Jesus! If she is a Christian then make your altar to Jesus. If she is open to Saints petition the Holy Family for your marital bliss and tranquility. If she is open to Mother Mary perhaps work with an image or icon of the Blessed Virgin Mary in one of her many forms-I myself am partial to Our Lady of Guadalupe. Don't use words like magic, use words like prayer and devotions--this may all make it easier for her to understand and get on board. Jesus is a powerful worker, he is a great ally, he preached peace, love, wisdom and understanding-he also preached cunning when the situation called for it so I think bringing some Christ energy into your home is an excellent idea!
Blessings,
Bri

Sensuous · Unread post by **Sensuous** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:46 pm

I was recently told that when you are working a spell on someone, you shouldn't talk to or have any contact with them at all; Until the spell is complete/starts working.

Is this true? If so, why? (I'm just trying to understand)
Please explain

Unread post by **Devi Spring** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:30 am

No - that makes no sense. There may be a few situations where you don't want to have contact with the person, but that's not an across the board rule by any means.

Unread post by **Dr Johannes** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:23 pm

ellina wrote:I have performed multiple spells, but they seem to result in the opposite of wHat I wanted. If it's a break up spell, they get married, a money stay with me, it doesn't, improve my relationships, I lose four, improve mother daughter relationship, she leaves me for a month, good luck spell, my car breaks down, revenge on two enemies, they do better than ever....what could be the reason? Have I been reversed or cursed? Ellina

If your results are this consistent I suggest you try a spell with the opposite of what you desire. Start with something small.
If someon hung you upside down in a mirror box and prayed for all your spells to have the opposite results, this could be the result. And a thousand other things. As ConjuremanAli said; Get yourself a reading and get uncrossed.

candlemagician · Unread post by **candlemagician** » Sat Dec 10, 2011 2:19 am

This is rather sad, but often seen here.....I am sorry you are having these problems, but when people advise that you should start with a reading that is the BEST advice that can be given for so many reasons. First of them being are you crossed and able to do self help work that will work correctly for you and the intent you seek. Secondly, and something that shouldn't be underestimated is the person you are working ON "protected" in some way.... do they practice, are they doing work on you? Will you be able to do anything yourself, or will you need professional help to reach your goal.

these things are just a few of the answers a good reading can answer before you even start...It is never wise to go to a gun fight unarmed. Seek the BEST help from a member of AIRR before you start when you want the best result at the end.

Blessings

Unread post by **Joann Lee** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 12:00 pm

A spell that works the way you want requires an undivided mind. If I can't completely commit, I just don't do it, or I try to rephrase the spell so that it is more lady-hearted.

In the past, I have done things where I wasn't 100%, and the candle(s) split in two and turned into two spells, one burning more brightly than the other. You can imagine the result!

Now I only do a spell if I can commit 100%

sweetie · Unread post by **sweetie** » Fri Jan 06, 2012 1:19 am

I have a male friend that has been very clear about being interested in me romantically. I'm not at all opposed to the idea of seeing how things go with him, except he's been in some really bad relationships over the years which I think has made him incredibly insecure.

I just recently realized that he knows a lot more about witchcraft than he lets on, and he's collected some of my personal concerns. I don't think he knows that I know. Initially I thought I was just being silly (and maybe a little paranoid) but I confirmed my guess with a pendulum more than once and keep getting the same answer and I'm confident I'm right. I'm positive he cast a love spell.

So, I guess an uncrossing or reversal is in order, but I'm not sure which. I don't really want him in more fascinated with me so I'm leaning towards the uncrossing. Sending it back to him just seems plain mean. Any suggestions?

Second-- and this is why it's under ethics-- I think I need someone else's take on what to do with this situation. On one hand it's flattering and kind of sweet that he'd make the effort to secure my affections, on the other hand I have pretty strong feelings of being manipulated. We have a long history together and I do (even without a love spell) like him a lot.

Also should I just come clean about how I know what's he's done? I tend to hold my beliefs close to the vest except for in select company. Do you think calling someone out on this would be enough to keep them from trying it again or would I be better off keeping my mouth shut and putting up some kind of protection so I can keep a clear head.

Unread post by **jwmcclin** » Fri Jan 06, 2012 7:09 am

Put some protection around you, you can use Fiery Wall of Protection (http://www.luckymojo.com/fierywall.html), but start with some uncrossing (http://www.luckymojo.com/uncrossing.html) products to remove what he has done.

sweetie · Unread post by **sweetie** » Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:26 am

Will do, thanks!

CuriousKate · Unread post by **CuriousKate** » Sat Jan 07, 2012 3:10 am

Is there a spell to rid oneself of the karmic debt that might come back on you for a particular spell?

Say you did a spell to get someone you love back.

How would you break the bad karma from that spell?

Unread post by **Mary Bee** » Sat Jan 07, 2012 5:27 am

CuriousKate,

There is no concept of "karma" in Hoodoo. Every practitioner must decide for themselves what is ethical. Some workers won't do coercive love spells. Some will do gambling spells but won't do break-up spells. The majority of Hoodoo practitioners were African-American Protestant Christians, so many of them will make ethical decisions based on that religion. Hoodoo is not a religion, but a spiritual practice that lets the practitioners be any religion they choose.

If you were doing a love spell to get someone you love to come back to you, there is nothing there that suggests the magic is of a crossing, jinxing or hurtful nature. You would just do the spell to get the guy back and wait for results. Now, let's say this person you love is currently dating someone else. You could do a Break Up or Separation spell on those two to break them up so he'll be single and available for you, and *those* spells are considered enemy tricks. You would have to cleanse yourself after performing the spell to cleanse yourself from sin. The traditional way to do this is taking a bath in Hyssop tea and reciting the 51st Psalm.

In short, "karma" is a concept found in Eastern religions like Buddhism. It doesn't exist in Hoodoo. You have to make ethical decisions in another way.

Good luck,
Mary Bee

Unread post by **aura** » Sat Jan 07, 2012 5:58 am

The following forum thread covers the topic in detail: ethics,-"black-magic,"-karma,-moral-jus ... 13051.html - take the time to read through it, although Mary Bee pretty well sums it up

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Sat Jan 07, 2012 10:08 am

I'm merging this thread into the one that aura cited. Thanks, Aura!

Luckbewithme876 · Unread post by **Luckbewithme876** » Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:34 pm

I'm a Christian and I try to live by that though I admittedly often slip up with that. But because of that there are certain taboos I personally have when doing magic, though I wouldn't try and force it on others of course.

1. I won't (or at least I hope I don't end up doing) do things like crossing or break up spells. I personally don't find this to morally justifiable and that's one of the things that I like about Wicca. Reversals however is different imo since it's only sending what evil the person has already performed back at them.
2. I don't like to turn to other gods when using magic. Saints, Biblical heroes and angels are different but the key in my mind is that they're not acting of themselves but instead are personally doing God's will.
3. I used to have hang ups on love spells but then someone on here wisely explained that it's basically like trying to flirt with someone in the normal way, since if it's not meant to happen then it won't happen anyways.
4. I also would perform a divination beforehand to see if anything I'm iffy on is justifiable or not.
5. Necromancy is also something I wouldn't be willing to do since the Bible speaks against calling up and speaking to the dead.

Like I said I wouldn't think to force it on other people but if I were giving advice then I'd urge people to consider the moral implications because like you all have said ethics are a part of Hoodoo even if there's no concept of Karma.

Unread post by **Jibrael** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 3:49 pm

I come from a Christian background where anything remotely approaching magic was forbidden in the strongest possible terms. Once I started practicing magic as a pagan, it seemed like I had to make a clear break between the two. Hoodoo has been very helpful in enabling me to bridge the gap between the faith of my childhood and my current faith. The ethics issue is an example.

As a new pagan, I was taught the "Rule of Three" and that "no real witch" would do any magic that impeded on another's free will. The problem is that those statements don't hold logically. Why 3 times? Why, if no "real witch" curses, are most historical documents of witchcraft filled with such things? So this is illogical from the get-go, if you think about it.

My paganism led me to Vodou, which led me to Hoodoo. One thing I learned was that these paricular African-derived systems emerge out of the poorest of the poor, and the most oppressed of the oppressed. This magic comes from a culture that could not trust the law, and in which breaking "taboos" wasoften necessary just to survive (prostitution and gambling come to mind). That alone shattered the divide in my mind between "white" and "black" magic. (And don't get me started on how racist the origin of those expressions are!)

So, as a pagan, I see no reason to get hung up on arguing over such things. Usually, making someone love you who doesn't, or hexing out of pure anger, just aren't good ideas. But the fact that they are often bad ideas doesn't make them intrinsically bad acts. In fact, a good crossing or break up may be the best course in certain cases.

Which gets me back to the Bible, in which the righteous frequently curse their enemies (especially in the Psalms). I now see no contradiction between Scripture and working magic of any kind. Joel 3:1, 2 says that the spirit of God would be poured out on all people, enabling prophecy and works of wonder. And Jesus said those in union with Him would do even greater works than he did (John 14:12). Another text says we are surrounded by "a great crowd of witnesses in Heaven" ( Hebrews 12:1) that are on our side, and isn't that basically what saint-work is all about (or working with the dead in general)?

I've probably rambled on too much, but it was helpful to write this down. Hoodoo has given me, in my opinion, a more balanced view of magical ethic overall, and continues to show me new and deeper ways to honor my Christian family traditions and my current pagan faith.

Unread post by **Lee Canipe** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:21 pm

Jibrael wrote:I come from a Christian background where anything remotely approaching magic was forbidden in the strongest possible terms.

I've heard people mention things like this before and it is so bizarre to me! I come from a place where folk magic is so intertwined with Christianity that I cannot separate the two. Some of the most powerful rootworkers in my town are preachers & deacons in the church (I'm a deacon in the church!). Now, there are some bible thumpers around who reject conjure, but they are not the majority by far.

Lee Canipe #398 (G)

Unread post by **Southernmom** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:33 pm

Same here, Lee! Granted, my grandmother ragingly covers what she was taught and her folk magic beliefs with a whole lotta 'Mama said' and 'The Bible says, therefore...' it is still so intertwined ya can't tell the two apart most times.

candlemagician · Unread post by **candlemagician** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:51 am

Those "bible thumpers" have a very small view of the world, life and of course anything to do with Spiritual matters. In their view the "Only" way to do things is the way they do them, look at them, or they have been taught. The better way is simply reject and walk away from those ways of incorrect and unhealthy thinking. Try to correct and help them when and where you can...... but mostly it is waste of time and effort and most of all a drain on yourself, your power, energy and spiritual strength.

It seems to me giving over all your choice, and power to others beliefs is a coop out. One used by people who lack any will, or control of their own lives and destiny.

Ms. Cat, & the Lucky Mojo "family" are about empowering each of us. to take that control back and use it to create what we desire most. That to me is a REAL Gift.

Unread post by **Mama Micki** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:38 pm

Many people want power over others, and use religion to accomplish their goals, because so many will not think for themselves. This is true in almost every spiritual community, not just Christianity or any particular denomination. It is human nature to want some type of authority figure to look up to, and some take advantage of that.

Personally, I listen to people from many faith backgrounds, as well as study the Bible and other spiritual books for myself, then make up my own mind.

Luckbewithme876 · Unread post by **Luckbewithme876** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:29 am

^So true. It's very sad to see how people try so hard to abuse their faith to try and exert control over other people. Real religion is about recieving power over one's own life through the help of a loving deity, not trying to abuse others.

Jibrael wrote:Which gets me back to the Bible, in which the righteous frequently curse their enemies (especially in the Psalms). I now see no contradiction between Scripture and working magic of any kind. Joel 3:1, 2 says that the spirit of God would be poured out on all people, enabling prophecy and works of wonder. And Jesus said those in union with Him would do even greater works than he did (John 14:12). Another text says we are surrounded by "a great crowd of witnesses in Heaven" ( Hebrews 12:1) that are on our side, and isn't that basically what saint-work is all about (or working with the dead in general)?

This so much! I used to feel conflicted and thinking that magic and spirituality were anti-thetical to each other but now I think it's just the opposite. I really like what you said about the Bible itself saying that people can and will perform wonders and miracles and that's part of the lore of Hoodoo. And I also really agree with what you said about Saint work. I believe something similar to that and it's also similar to the ancestor veneration of pagan practices.

Basically what's I started looking into magic for real and not just research for creative writing I feel like God's given me a way to give me power back over my own life.

drjumba · Unread post by **drjumba** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:40 pm

Spells are just what you want them to be. if you wish to cast a spell that will affect someone negatively, thats what it will do and ikf you cast one that you want to affect someone postively, thats what you will get.
Spells are never harmfull if not intended to be.

smokey08 · Unread post by **smokey08** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 12:15 am

So I like reading about magic. I truely believe in it. But just being curious:

I'm catholic and I want to practice dark magic like black magic.

But if I preformed black magic or had it done for me, is that meaning I'm worshiping the devil and will go to hell?

I mean I'm very curious and I want to try something new.

candlemagician · Unread post by **candlemagician** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 2:40 am

smokey08,

This Forum is about Lucky Mojo, and their Products. Not a place to discuss religion.

I hope you find the answers you seek.

Unread post by **aura** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:49 am

Hi smokey08,

if you read through the following thread you may get some of the answers you're looking for: ethics,-%22black-magic,%22-karma,-moral ... 13051.html

That said, if you're thinking hoodoo is about worshiping the Devil and going to hell:

1 - You haven't read most of the free pages Miss Cat has so wonderfully made available to all. Start by reading through these two which should clear up a part of your confusion: http://www.luckymojo.com/hoodoohistory.html; http://www.luckymojo.com/crossroads.html

2 - If you have read the pages and the above is still what you think: DON'T PRACTICE MAGIC, it isn't any more complicated than that. No one is pulling your rubber arm with a bottle of condition oil and a Vigil light! Nor is magic there simply so you can ''try something new''. I'm Catholic and feel no guilt about the work I perform: I also don't do any crossing work and that's a personal choice that some workers make. Others live quite well with darker work if it is justified in the eyes of God. Your own level of personal OK-ness with different types of work is something you'll have to understand on your own and isn't something another person can give you absolution for.

3 - Consider working with King Solomon Wisdom (http://www.luckymojo.com/kingsolomonwisdom.html) and Clarity (http://www.luckymojo.com/oil-clarity.html) products while you explore the issue to help gain some insight that will help you move forward.

Best of luck.

smokey08 · Unread post by **smokey08** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:46 pm

Thank you! Ill be sure to read those pages. So I can clear up my confusion

Unread post by **Joseph Magnuson** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:34 pm

I merged these posts so that everyone can read these threads all in one place. Thank you.

drjumba · Unread post by **drjumba** » Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:23 am

hello candlemagician i understand this forum might be about Lucky Mojo like you said but that does not stop us from giving if we realy are givers.

People are looking for help from any where they can get it and they dont care as long as you give them that you could give.

thank you

Luckbewithme876 · Unread post by **Luckbewithme876** » Sat Jan 28, 2012 7:30 pm

Hi CuriousKate,

http://www.luckymojo.com/crossing.html
This link does a great job of explaining what to do in this situation. Taking a bath with Hyssop and Rue is the usual method to "cleanse" yourself after doing bad work. In the future however, I think you might want to do a divining to see if your working is justified or not if you don't want this streak of bad luck to happen again.

Good luck.

Unread post by **Mama Micki** » Sun Jan 29, 2012 7:21 am

Dr Jumba and others, I suggest you use Google or another search engine to find the information you are seeking. This is a forum about Lucky Mojo products and traditional hoodoo. Also, candlemagician is a woman, so I removed "Mr." and "sir" from your post.

Everyone must decide for himself or herself whether he or she can practice magic within one's own spiritual belief. I am grateful that I found out about the tradition of Christian magic.

SHAKUR1971 · Unread post by **SHAKUR1971** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:11 pm

Hello Everyone,

I have a question that has been bothering me for a while now. I was wanting to know if a rootworker will work with me and let's say the person that I am working on, if that person starts working with the same rootworker?

I know that it may sound like a crazy question to some of you, but this is something that I need to know.

I am going to use an example for you all and I hope that I am making myself clear.

Let's say that there is this rootworker that I go to often for help. What if my in-laws start going to this same rootworker, will the rootworker tell my in-laws what I am up to?

I knew of this lady who would help both ladies with this same man. One of the lady's would come to see the rootworker, and let's say that the wife came a week later, the lady would help her too. She said that the lady that came to here last would get better results because the rootworker would stop whatever the first lady had done.

I also knew of this rootworker who would not help two females that wanted to do something to the same man. She helped the girlfriend, but when the wife came in to ask for help, the rootworker told her that she could not help the wife.

How is it with AIRR members?

Everyone is welcomed to respond.

Thanks!

Unread post by **Mama Micki** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:18 pm

I would think that this would be unethical. You need to ask the person you are considering what his or her policies are, but I don't think AIRR members will be working both sides of the fence.

keirith · Unread post by **keirith** » Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:28 pm

I am not an AIRR worker, but I believe they would treat their clientele with the highest level of respect, and confidentiality . Just as with all professionals, they would strive for the highest standards of service and fairness, and should/would decline helping the second person who comes to them with conflicting goals from the first person.
Now, that being said,its possible that the AIRR worker might not realize that two people that come to them might have conflicting goals, like, being after the same man. If you read about the work that individual AIRR rootworkers do, you will see that most of them insist on some kind of divination prior to their taking on a case, which might ferret this situation out, in which case I would think, again, they would have to decline the second person for conflict of interest.

However your question alluded to 'rootworkers' in general, not necessarily AIRR rootworkers, and no one here can vouch for the integrity of a non AIRR rootworker. Some can be unscrupulous and unreliable. So yes, they could possibly do whatever they wanted to do in the situation. And I would think that conflicting work would have unpredictable results, at best.

I would also like to hear from an AIRR rootworker what their take on the situation would be.

Unread post by **MissMichaele** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:03 pm

Keirith wrote:I am not an AIRR worker, but I believe they would treat their clientele with the highest level of respect, and confidentiality . Just as with all professionals, they would strive for the highest standards of service and fairness, and should/would decline helping the second person who comes to them with conflicting goals from the first person.

That is true; I don't know of any AIRR workers who would work both sides of a case.

Now, that being said,its possible that the AIRR worker might not realize that two people that come to them might have conflicting goals, like, being after the same man. If you read about the work that individual AIRR rootworkers do, you will see that most of them insist on some kind of divination prior to their taking on a case, which might ferret this situation out, in which case I would think, again, they would have to decline the second person for conflict of interest.

Well, if divination didn't make it clear, the rootworker would CERTAINLY know what was up when they got the SAME name, picture and birthdate from the second client!

Hope this helps,

Miss Michaele

SHAKUR1971 · Unread post by **SHAKUR1971** » Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:52 pm

Hello Keirith, Miss Michaele and Mama Micki,

Thanks so much for responding. I really appreciate your feedback. The reason why I asked this question was because I found out that an AIRR rootworker is local and I want to start doing business with him because he is so close, but I don't want to go to the same rootworker as my in-laws. I know that his mom believes in roots, but she talks to psychics, and I don't know if she goes to this AIRR local rootworker or not. I know that this may sound crazy to you all, but I was so happy to see that this rootworker was local, but then I got nervous because I was saying to myself that he might be a rootworker that my boyfriends family goes to. I will just give him a try and see what happens. I don't have anything to lose by trying. I emailed him and asked him about this, but he has not gotten back in touch with me at the moment.

Thanks

Unread post by **ConjureMan** » Sun Feb 26, 2012 8:57 pm

You need to be upfront with the rootworker--transparency with a rootworker is key.

AIRR workers will not work two sides of a case. It is unethical. It is like crossing someone so they'll come and get uncrossed with you.

LeChatNoir · Unread post by **LeChatNoir** » Sun Feb 26, 2012 9:56 pm

Thank you all for reassuring us that AIRR workers don't "work" that way...that is a huge relief and more incentive to get a reading!

SHAKUR1971 · Unread post by **SHAKUR1971** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:04 pm

Hello ConjureMan Ali,

Thanks for your information. I spoke with the AIRR rootworker and he told me that he does not work both sides, so I am so happy. I will be obtaining help from him from this point on. I must say that I was afraid to ask him, but I said that I have to say that I am so glad that I asked.

Thanks!

be_777 · Unread post by **be_777** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:38 pm

What happens though if you do unjustified work? For example, let's say the boss disciplines a subordinate at work, that person doesn't like it and lashes out by crossing the boss with a devastating curse that is not deserved. Are unjustified spells simply blocked by God from ever manifesting or are they allowed to manifest but the caster has that on his conscience and is later punished for it? Have any practitioners on these boards experienced a denied manifestation because the spell was unjust?

Unread post by **catherineyronwode** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:35 pm

be_777 --

You are asking about religious beliefs and religious experiences and religious theology, if seems. We are not experts in this, and there are people of so many different cultures here, with so many concepts of God, that you would do better going from door to door and asking folks their opinions. No one here can speak with authority for YOU, only for themselves.

You know, a very wise pastor once said to me, "God answers prayer .. but sometimes the answer is 'No.'" there's a lot of thought in that sentence, which sounds funny, but actuually isn't. What he said after that was interesting too, and indicates that WHY God says, "No," may not always be known to us: "'And you know i'm right, 'cause if he didn't, then nobody's grandmother would ever die."

Some folks seem to think of God as GOD beyond understanding or knowledge and other seems to think of God as the runner of a rule-set, and themselves as players who are trying to game God's system.

Some see God as a friend:

Arizona Dranes: He Is My Story
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRWdO_zZi8Q

Some see God a fierce dealer in justice:

There's No Hiding Place Down There-The Carter Family
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8osmxHMfRYE

As for me, well, i really do believe that if you do unjustfied work, your fate is not for us to judge -- it is in God's hands, and is up to YOU to find your own moral and ethical path in life, and to try to please God, however you conceive God, in your own ways and as best you can.

Unread post by **Joseph Magnuson** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:00 pm

catherineyronwode wrote:As for me, well, i really do believe that if you do unjustfied work, your fate is not for us to judge -- it is in God's hands, and is up to YOU to find your own moral and ethical path in life, and to try to please God, however you conceive God, in your own ways and as best you can.

Beautifully said. Something to strive for and cultivate always. Thank you, Cat!

Unread post by **Doctor Hob** » Tue May 01, 2012 10:31 pm

catherineyronwode wrote:You know, a very wise pastor once said to me, "God answers prayer .. but sometimes the answer is 'No".

This is beautifully put, and worthy of keeping in mind. This very simple statement defines a massive part of magical work.

Unread post by **Odessa** » Tue May 08, 2012 12:01 pm

Are there any ethical guidelines in Hoodoo/rootwork ? I read an internet blog article by Conjoureman Ali that said there was an "inherent doctrine of ethics" in regards to Hoodoo/Rootworking. I was wondering what ethics are? (note that I understand that Hoodoo/rootwork is a magical practice, not a religious practice.)

Unread post by **aura** » Tue May 08, 2012 4:00 pm

Hi Odessa,

the ethics of the conjure worked by any individual practitioner tend to reflect their personal religion. Most Conjures are Protestant and thus, ethically most do unto others as they would have done unto themselves. But as you already know from your own life: nothing is quite that clean and simple and thus many mitigating factors and personal experiences will colour any one person's ethics. Ultimately, you'll have to figure out what your own limit is in the work and in this you can work with Divination, as well as the Clarity and King Solomon Wisdom line of products.

Blessings.

Unread post by **Courtney Kolb** » Wed May 09, 2012 6:20 pm

Mama Micki wrote:If you are interested in someone, don't you dress and act a certain way when you are around them? Don't you wear nice clothes, fix your hair, wear perfume, etc?

I thought of chiming in, but that's pretty much exactly what I was going to say.